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The 45 of Jenny, Jenny contains reverb, while many of
the CDs in the database are dry. These should be examined
for reverb, like many of the other Little Richard singles.
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You are correct, Ringmaster. There are several Little Richard 45s that have
reverb that fails to turn up on CDs, including the Rhino "18 Greatest Hits",
where I have his hits.
Wonder what happened here...perhaps since Specialty issued his singles for
years after, at some point the reverb went missing and no one remembered the
original singles?
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Most CD sources all probably stem from Bill Inglot's work
on the Rhino 18 Greatest Hits set, which he combed the
vaults for in search of the lowest generation source tapes.
I'm assuming that reverb was added at an additional tape
stage before the singles were pressed, thus adding a
generation loss. I think in that case, the Rhino team
sprung for what sounded the cleanest rather than using the
tape copy with added reverb.
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The Rhino disc sounds excellant after all these years
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Ringmaster_D
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LunarLaugh wrote:
Most CD sources all probably stem from
Bill Inglot's work
on the Rhino 18 Greatest Hits set, which he combed the
vaults for in search of the lowest generation source tapes.
I'm assuming that reverb was added at an additional tape
stage before the singles were pressed, thus adding a
generation loss. I think in that case, the Rhino team
sprung for what sounded the cleanest rather than using the
tape copy with added reverb. |
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I agree with the later stage reverb hypothesis. It's an
issue that is not uncommon with the hits from the '50s.
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The Little Richard original 45 with the most reverb may
well be "Rip It Up". I don't see an original 45 on
YouTube (even the45prof's upload is not an original 45),
so I uploaded mine, even though it's in pretty rough
shape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZPhUfGhU1s
(Sorry, after more than fifteen years on the board, I
still haven't figured out how to properly post a link.)
As has been stated on this board before, Specialty kept
many of its 45s and albums in print with the original
label number until at least the late 1990s and perhaps
even into the 2000s. In the mid-1980s, I purchased new
Specialty 45s of most of Little Richard's top 40 hits.
None of these have the reverb found on the original 45s.
My best estimate is that the 45 image in the45prof's
upload is a 1960s pressing. In 1968, Specialty issued
Little Richard's Grooviest 17 Original Hits!.
Since then, most Little Richard Specialty 45s have stated
that the song is from this album. So if the label states
it is from this album, the 45 was definitely not pressed
prior to 1968.
A few years ago, the Ace label in the UK issued the
Little Richard CD, The Original British Hit
Singles, which I purchased in the faint hope that it
contained the hits with the original reverb. It did not.
I notice, however, that there is an upload on YouTube of
a UK London-American 78, and it does not have the reverb.
So it is entirely possible that original UK singles
didn't have the reverb.
As others with much more knowledge of such matters have
stated on this board, reverb was sometimes added when the
stampers were made without the reverb being present on
the actual tapes. This may well be what we have here. I
doubt very much that it has been less than fifty years
since the these recordings have been issued with the
original 45 version reverb, and it may well now be more
than sixty years.
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Interesting and potentially salient discussion on the Hoffman Board:
Link
Lots of questions raised there about different vintage pressings/masterings that don't
quite get sorted out but could provide fodder for thought in this examination.
One way or another, this is what Hoffman maintains:
"In the 1980s as some of you know, I helped ACE UK digitize all of the Little Richard
session tapes from the 1950s. They did it at Whitney in Glendale and basically I sat
with them to hear the great stuff. In the 1950s, nothing from the original studio was
delivered with reverb, no Fats, LR, etc. The echo was all record company added, either
in mastering or on redubbed copy tapes. Just saying, it's confusing as my 45 is dry.
But, it's a recut from the 1960s (I think)."
Edited by Bounder's Bay on 13 December 2021 at 12:31pm
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