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Pat: The version of this song on "Uncanned-Best Of", and most of the other CDs (as I recall, the correct 45v is on my deeply-buried JCI "Rockin' 60's" CD) is the LP version of the song. The OBVIOUS tip-off on the version difference is the 3rd flute note at the beginning and end of the song. This note is sustained for a FULL second on the 45 version, but the LP version features three VERY quick opening and closing sequence flute notes. I believe the 45 and LP version could, in fact, be entirely different takes. For sure, the 45/LP version difference is a no doubter here, Mr. Downey.
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great catch, jim......i just got around to reviewing canned
heat tonight and you are absolutely right about the third
flute note.....that small difference, may have gotten past
my ears before......outstanding!!
Edited by edtop40 on 18 May 2015 at 3:47pm
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after folding the correct 45 version from stereo to mono it
clearly is a different mix than the stereo version....the
flute and strings are MUCH more prominent on the actual
vinyl 45 than on my fold down....but....mark was kind
enough to send me his re-creation and it matches
perfectly....THANKS mark!!
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This is what I have deduced for this song: not 100% sure of accuracy, but I'm
going with it since it seems "logical" and until anyone else can offer proof...
45 and LP versions are different recordings, especially noticeable in the flute
at the beginning and at the end, and the 45 features one guitar strumming (left
channel in the stereo mix) while the LP features two (one in each channel).
Reissued on May 1970 Liberty 45 56180 (b-side to "Future Blues"), indicated
as from the LP "Canned Heat Cookbook" - so I'm assuming "Cookbook" has a
stereo mix of the 45, as a 45cat post states Liberty 45 56180 plays stereo - it
has matrix number LB-2855-S - and is the same version as the original 1968
45 (Liberty 56077).
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To David:
The 45 and LP versions are definitely different mixes,
and the beginning and endings are different takes.
However, the bulk of the song flanges when played
simultaneously, indicating to me it's predominately the
same take...
It's all a matter of semantics and pedantic.
I just tend to think when somebody says "different
recording" it means the group went back into the studio
and recut the entire song from scratch, or the producer
decided to release a different master take than the one
originally released (oftentimes a band back then would
record a few takes of the basics of a song in a studio
and then chose what they think is the best performance).
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I couldn't agree with you more, Andrew, when it comes to the definition of
different recording. My conclusion that the 45 and LP were a different
recording I'd reached years ago and was based on the beginning and end of
the song, and the mix (and instrumentation). I did a more thorough a/b
comparison just now and I too believe the "main body" of the song is the same
basic take.
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Stereo LP version
I believe that this first appeared on CD on EMI-Manhattan's The Best Of Canned Heat (1987). The same analog transfer is used on:Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 12 1969 The Beat Goes On (1989, both original release and RE-1 reissue)- Mystic Music/CEMA's 2-CD Bell Bottom Rock (1996)
- Time-Life's Spirit Of The '60s Groovy Hits (2006)
- TM Century track no. 00001291 - no tape hiss on fade; added noise reduction?
Of the CDs I have, I found only one other analog transfer, on Silver Eagle Records' mail-order 2-CD set Woodstock Rock (1989). The same analog transfer is used on:- Varese's Totally Oldies Vol. 8 Classic Rock (2005)
I actually prefer the Woodstock Rock mastering here, just because the lead vocals seem centered a little better than on Best Of. It's a a minor point.
Stereo 45 version
On the intro of the LP version, the flute ascends to a very short high note. On the intro of the 45, it sounds like there are additional flutes, and that high note is held much longer than on the LP.
You have exactly two US CDs to choose from for the stereo 45 version:- Sessions' mail-order 2-CD Freedom Rock (1987) - yes, the "turn it up" Freedom Rock from the TV commercials
- JCI's Rockin' '60s (1988)
I prefer the mastering for Freedom Rock, which has a slightly longer fade, has a little more tape hiss on the fade, and has better centering of the lead vocals.
I believe that the actual commercial 45 was mono. I'm not sure if it's a fold-down of the stereo 45 version that appears on CD.
Non-hit 1994 remix
Ron Furmanek and Kevin Reeves remixed "Going Up The Country" (and most of the other songs) on EMI's Uncanned! The Best Of Canned Heat (1994), as part of the EMI Legends Of Rock N' Roll Series.
In the 1994 remix, the hi-hat is remarkably crisp. If you're looking for one concrete difference between the mixes: In the 1994 remix, the very last note is an organ hit with essentially no flute behind it. In the original 1969 mix, the flute extends right through the organ hit.
The same analog transfer as Uncanned is used on:- Ace UK's Chartbusters USA Vol. 3 (2003)
- Madacy's Rock On 1969 (2004)
- Time-Life's 2-CD Flower Power Time Of The Season (2007)
My preferences
For the stereo LP version, I prefer Silver Eagle Records' Woodstock Rock (1989).
For the stereo 45 version, I prefer Sessions' Freedom Rock (1987).
For the non-hit 1994 remix, may as well go with EMI's Uncanned! The Best Of Canned Heat (1994).
Yay, mail-order CDs! Please allow four to six weeks for delivery. Operators are standing by.
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Yes Ron, the commercial 45 was mono, as were most if not all Liberty 45s in
early 1969 were.
I've attempted to determine when the stereo mix of the 45 was first issued.
From what I've learned, the song was reissued on 29 May 1970 Liberty 45
56180 (b-side to "Future Blues") two months after the Woodstock film and
shortly after the "Woodstock" 3-LP set was issued and the label indicates As
featured in the film "Woodstock" - from the LP "Canned Heat Cookbook". A
45cat post states that Liberty 45 56180 plays stereo - the 45 with matrix
number LB-2855-S - and is the same version as the original late 1968 45
(Liberty 56077).
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I had a nagging feeling that I could do better, so I revisited EMI-Manhattan's The Best Of Canned Heat (1987).
If you raise the right channel by 3 dB, you center the lead vocals pretty well (at least as well as on Woodstock Rock).
I'm changing my recommendation to EMI-Manhattan's The Best Of Canned Heat (1987), but you'll have to raise the right channel by 3 dB.
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