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Todd Ireland
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Actual DJ and commercial 45 time for George Harrison's "This Song" is (3:53), not (3:45) as stated on the record label. This should probably be noted in the database.
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"This Song" is another of those 45s in which it is an edit, but not a straight edit of the LP version (I believe you need to extrapolate an earlier saxophone bridge and place it right at the point of edit).
It was a tough one to create--I'm not even sure I got it quite right, but it's close.
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"This Song" was a tricky edit to get the 45 version. I edited out the one section that is seemingly missing from the 45 version; however, in doing so, the bass completely drops out for one second before the final verse, and that doesn't happen on the 45. For years, I figured they went in and remixed the bass there for that edit spot, but then about a year ago, I realized they just took that one second from another spot in the song ... and voila ... the bass is back.
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Doug and Gordon:
I just recently edited the LP version of "This Song" to match the vinyl 45 version and I totally agree that it involved some tricky edits. Gordon, could you tell me the exact edit spot where you had to insert the missing bass note on your homemade 45 version? I'm not certain where it is.
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Todd,
Doug and I have been discussing this, and it turns out that my edit wasn't quite right. Doug sent me his edit, which is closer, but we even determined that there might be an extra note in a chord in Doug's edit, so it's not quite right either. Doug has been keeping good track (the minute and second) where an edit should start on this one, so I'll let him answer your question. I did this edit a few years ago and don't remember exactly what I did, and it turns out it was slightly wrong. It still comes out to be the same length, but there's this one little measure where mine has 3 piano flourishes over the guitars and drums, when the 45 edit doesn't have that.
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My homemade 45 version has an edit point at the 3:16 mark immediately before the series of drum hits. Here, I inserted a section I copied and pasted from earlier in the song at the 2:30-2:32 points. This eliminates the most of the running piano scale you speak of, Gordon, but mine still has one extra piano chord that can be heard under the second drum/cymbal hit and saxophone that isn't on the vinyl 45. I've spent a lot of time trying to get it right and I can't quite seem to nail it. I believe I'm very close though.
Has anyone else tried this 45 edit? Aaron? Brian?
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When I listened to Doug's 45 edit, the only slight difference I noticed was on the second drum/cymbal/saxophone hit -- there was an extra note in there. This sounds very much like what you're talking about, but you called it an extra piano chord under the second drum/cymbal hit/sax.
If you and Doug both have the same exact spot that isn't matching up, it's probable that you can't edit the LP version to get the exact 45.
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Well, at least I feel better that someone with a lot better editing skills than mine was having an issue in the same spot.
If I lose anyone with this, don't feel bad--I may get lost myself. I wonder if we could take the first note in that stanza, duplicate it (so that it repeats once), then insert the edit with the three saxophone notes in a row (followed by the bass line), and that should segue right into the "this song could well be. . ." line.
Did that make any sense?
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Yep, that's the very issue I'm having, Gordon and Doug. I don't know if the first note in the stanza can be duplicated and inserted in place of the extra piano note because I believe this would wind up clipping the first saxophone note. If anyone can make it work, please let me know.
This reminds me of a case I had with Donna Allen's "Serious" where I could edit the LP version to match the 45 except for the fact that the word "talk" in one spot had a different voice inflection on the 45 than on the LP!
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Todd Ireland wrote:
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I haven't tried this one, but I'd be willing to give it a try if you want to forward the audio.
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One more solo Beatles request...looking for the (3:53) version of "This Song" (very under-rated song, IMO).
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On its way now, Paul.
BTW, i don't know if anyone ever worked this one out but
you can create the 45 from the LP version. What you do is
take the small section from about 2:30, and insert it at
the 3:16 point, BUT you don't use it as it is, you take it
from the 2nd beat (horn blast?). Loop that 2nd beat so
that it becomes the first AND second... then cut to the
end chorus and fade it early and you're good to go. Hope
that isn't too confusing.
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Thanks, Mark!
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MMathews wrote:
On its way now, Paul.
BTW, i don't know if anyone ever worked this one out but
you can create the 45 from the LP version. What you do is
take the small section from about 2:30, and insert it at
the 3:16 point, BUT you don't use it as it is, you take it
from the 2nd beat (horn blast?). Loop that 2nd beat so
that it becomes the first AND second... then cut to the
end chorus and fade it early and you're good to go. Hope
that isn't too confusing.
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I think that's exactly what I ended up doing in my note above, Mark.
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