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Posted: 29 November 2006 at 10:07pm \| IP Logged

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the live version of this song is on the A-side of the 45 and runs 4:17 and NOT 4:13 as stated on the 45's label....this should be noted in the db....

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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 9:08pm \| IP Logged

I guess this brings up a good question -- which side of this single was the "A" side? I see Joel Whitburn lists the studio version as the "A" side.

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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 9:26pm \| IP Logged

based on two factors i contend the live verion is the A-side.....number one...the lower matrix number is on the "live" side....live matrix is zss 173126 and the studio side is zss 173127...........secondly.....the 45's picture sleeve states on it's face "money changes everything" cyndi lauper live!!..........and again, this WOULDN'T be the first time whitburn got it WRONG!!!!

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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:00pm \| IP Logged

All the top 40 stations where I grew up (Western Massachusetts - I could also tune in Connecticut) played the studio cut. I also don't recall Casey Kasum playing the live version on AT40 (I could be wrong on this) either.

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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:03pm \| IP Logged

i don't doubt that the studio version got airtime, but we need to work off the commercial 45 release as what was issued as the "single" version, NO?

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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:10pm \| IP Logged

the review of the single in the 12/22/84 issue of Billboard also made no mention of the cut being pushed as the live version, which you would think they would, eh? Anyhow, perhaps Jim, who was in radio at the time could weigh in on this....

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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:13pm \| IP Logged

good points, BUT..........i stand by my analysis.....i believe the "live" version to be the "official" single version based on my previous statements.....anyone else what to chime in?

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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:15pm \| IP Logged

Although the live version was the A-side of the single, I have never heard it on the radio and have always considered the B-side (which is an edit of the LP version) to be the hit. I'm not sure the A-side was even serviced to radio stations.

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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:32pm \| IP Logged

...and to think that I thought the live version was simply a cool non-lp "b" side...

Since Whitburn was mentioned earlier in this thread. His album rock book also considered the studio version the hit (it made #37 on the AOR chart). I would think that radio format would have been more likely to play the live version than Top 40!

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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 11:02pm \| IP Logged

edtop40 wrote:

But what does the 45 label list as the A-side? Or does it?

The more of these we encounter, the more I feel like both sides should be considered the "official" single version.

Because the video used the live version, and the picture sleeve says "live," I would probably consider the live version to the "hit" version myself.

Edited by Brian W. on 30 November 2006 at 11:04pm

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Posted: 30 November 2006 at 11:34pm \| IP Logged

Chuck: I'll do what I can. This is a toughie, for a couple of reasons. First, it only got to #27 BB in 2/85. In 1965, if you had a #27 BB hit, the song got TONS of radio airplay - that wasn't nearly as true by '85. I'm betting about 1/2 of the Top 40 stations in America never even PLAYED that song, and mine was among them. Its big buzz was TONS of heavy-rotation MTV play for that live video. We did strongly consider adding it, and if we did, we would've played the studio version, because I remember WE all thought Lauper's vocals were FAR weaker on the "live" version. Surprisingly, there actually aren't tons of differences between the two, if you listen carefully. We thought that Portrait was probably hawking/marketing the "Live" side: 1) To distract radio from the fact that this was the FIFTH single from her debut LP, "She's So Unusual" (after Girls Just Want To Have Fun, Time After Time, She Bop and All Through The Night,) and 2) To get people who already had the LP to also buy this 45, so her many new fans would spend even more money, for this previously-unavailable live version. All 4 of her previous 45s did great for us, but we judge each individual song on its own merits, and we'd all agreed that "Money...", in EITHER of its versions, just wasn't nearly as strong a track as the other 4 had been. On the promo 45, the studio v was on one side, and the live v was on the other, just like on the commercial 45. Ed, I believe Mr. Whitburn is correct to use the "studio" version as the "hit" side. Here's why. I know about the pic sleeve specifying the "Live" nature of the track - I have it also. And you are also correct about the earlier 45 matrix number; that's a decent (although not flawless) indicator of intended A-sides. But Ed, my first commercial 45 for "Angie" by the Rolling Stones said "Side Two" on it! ("Silver Train" was the label's intended A-side). And, my first stock copy of "Beth" by Kiss says "Side B" on it! ("Detroit Rock City" was the original intended A-side.) Does this mean that Mr. Whitburn is wrong to list "Angie" and "Beth" as the hits? Of course not. My gut here: the MTV watchers of the day consider the video's live v to be the hit, and those who discovered the track either on the radio, or by playing their LP through, consider the studio version to be the hit. The immense success of that LP totally shocked the label, and by this 5th single, much of U.S. radio had had a HUGE track record of success with it. By now, we all knew she'd caught "lightning in a bottle" with this LP. "All Through The Night", the 4th single, had those same whispers, too - all the hits on the LP were now gone - well, they weren't, and that one happened to be an especially strong song for us. As a result, the notion of "Why not go to the well a 5th time, albeit with a "live spin" to it, had its supporters at the label.

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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 12:05am \| IP Logged

I could see denoting it as a double "A" side with the "45" picture sleeve promoting the "live" side BUT the other side featuring an edited version of the album version. This would say to me that the label was hedging it's bets on this track. And yes, I did discover this tune by radio - my hometown didn't (and still doesn't) have cable, so no MTV for me in 1985.

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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 6:45am \| IP Logged

I never heard the live version on the radio back in 1984-85...and I listened to a lot of radio back then, even worked as a DJ/MD at that time. I consider the studio version to be the "hit" version.

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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 7:08am \| IP Logged

What I loved about the '80s is that there were a lot of singles from most hit albums. I loved "Money Changes Everything"...and although maybe not as strong as the other singles from the album, was still a great track.

Here in Canada there was actually a SIXTH single from "She's So Unusual". "When You Were Mine" was released with a picture sleeve and a 4:00 edit in Canada. Never heard it on the radio much, but it's out there!

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Posted: 01 December 2006 at 7:35am \| IP Logged

I have both a U.S. and a Canadian 45, and although the U.S. 45 does not specify an 'A' or 'B' side, the Canadian 45 has 'Side One' on the live side and 'Side Two' on the studio side.

It's clear that it was the studio version that made the Billboard Hot 100, though, since the Hot 100 listed 'R. Chertoff' as the producer. Rick Chertoff produced the studio version. The live version was produced by Cyndi Lauper and Lennie Petze.

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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 9:20pm \| IP Logged

Would anyone be able to provide a file or edit points for the studio version edit of Money Changes Everything?

I'm also looking for a recording of the Boy Blue (Remix).

Any help is much appreciated! :)

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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 10:13pm \| IP Logged

I can send you the remix of Boy Blue.

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Posted: 13 April 2007 at 8:31am \| IP Logged

Thanks! Sent you a PM. :)

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Posted: 09 May 2007 at 6:52pm \| IP Logged

hey guys.....any further thoughts on which side, the studio or live, should be considered the A-side??

can we take a vote??

i vote for the "live" version as the A-side

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Posted: 10 May 2007 at 6:03am \| IP Logged

Sorry Ed, but I was there and very tuned-in to Top 40 radio at the time and I never once heard or played the live version on the radio. The only place to see/hear it was on MTV (or if you actually bought the single). I'd consider the live version to be the "video version".

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