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Pat, just to clarify your current notation for this, my commercial 45 DOES state a listed time of (3:12), and does indeed actually run (4:16) - you specify (4:18), but why quibble? Just wanted to bring to your attention the major timing error that appears on at least some commercial 45s.
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My commercial 45 states a running time of (4:18)!
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Some pressings had the right time, some wrong. Some original pressings had it wrong, and some re-issues. I think the DJ edit time was accidentally put on some of the full length 45s.
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If any member has a stock copy that actually has the 3:12 length (dj promo), could you please advise of the deadwax on this? I'd like to try and hunt it out at the next record show I attend. I've long given up that this version will ever show up on disc.
This version was played exclusively by the AM giants in Chicago.
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John, at the present time I believe, despite the fact that commercial 45s state times of both (3:12) and (4:18), that, so far, all actually appear to feature the longer version. So what you've requested may not exist, although one eventually turning up would not surprise me. I do have TWO different promo 45s for this. Both include the commercial 45 flip, "Rollin' My Thing" on one side of them. One promo has a listed (3:12), but an actual (3:17) version. On the label, it states "DJ-DR-46191-B", but the ONLY inscription contained in the deadwax is a triangle, followed by "79679." My other promo, with a listed time (4:18), and an actual time of (4:16), states on the label "DR 46191." The deadwax has exactly the same info, with a "dash" appearing at the end. My commercial 45, with a listed time of (3:12) but an actual time of (4:16), also has "DR 46191-" in the deadwax, even though THIS label states "DR46191-B" on it. As you hunt at your next record show, John, stay away from all "DR 46191-" deadwaxes, regardless of what the label states, and try to focus in on the "triangle79679", or who knows, maybe you'll find new, unique deadwax details, which may be worth taking a flyer on. Good luck.
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I gave up on trying to get a stock short version on the original London pressings. Every 3:12 labeled version I found was the long version.
I believe the 3:12 version was issued as single with Rainbow on the B side sometime during the 80's.
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First, info like this that is available nowhere else is why I joined this site (and now forum).
I've been trying to track down this promo myself for my own Top 40 (70-71) personal CD-R collection. So I took a chance on the reissue 45 and here's what I can report.
It's on "London Timepieces" 882 104-7. Rainbow is on the flip. You can't miss it as being a reissue as it has a barcode on the label.
Interestingly, it times out at 3:33 with the same into and fade but with the guitar solo (1:43 - 2:23) edited out. So I'm not sure what it is.
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That seems to be the version, Indy500, that's on my slightly earlier London 80s 45 without the barcode.
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Hope my questions like this don't annoy any of you...LOL.
Can the 3:12 version be recreated? Indy500 mentions a guitar solo edited out. Are there any other edit points?
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Bill Cahill wrote:
| Some pressings had the right time, some wrong. Some original pressings had it wrong, and some re-issues. I think the DJ edit time was accidentally put on some of the full length 45s. |
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And conversely, some stock singles labelled as 4:18 actually contain the 3:18 promo version. I have one such copy. Indeed, it wasn't until late in the song's chart run that I even knew there was a long version of it. I was at a friend's house and his copy was the (apparently) more common 4:18 version.
Eriejwg: in addition to the edited bridge, the short version has an earlier fade.
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BEAUTIFUL! Another off the list!
The more I make these DJ edits, THOSE were the versions I heard on the radio...
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It's one of the easier edits you'll make. Counting 1 2 3 4, it's right on the downbeat of 1 -- as the strings decrescendo at 1:43 -- and at 2:23 a few beats before "I'm changing, arranging."
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I recently purchased a copy of the edited promo 45 of this tune on ebay (for a grand total of 99 cents plus shipping, i love finds like this), i had never heard the edited version before, but it sounds so weird now that i've heard it...
However, here's what I can report on it:
The label does state 3:12 and has DJ-DR 46191-B on it, it has Rollin' My Thing on the B side, but the dead wax does in fact read DJDR46191-B on the A side, has a Bell Sound stamp in the dead wax and a handwritten TI or T1 in the deadwax as well. It also runs 3:17.
So it looks like any record hunters trying to find the DJ edit on a stock 45 should be on the lookout for copies with DJDR46191-B in the trail out in addition to looking for copies that have the Monarch 79679 that Jim mentions above.
Edited by TomDiehl1 on 26 March 2008 at 11:11pm
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Tom:
We bow to you, sir, in finding that promo 45!
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Indy500 wrote:
| It's one of the easier edits you'll make. Counting 1 2 3 4, it's right on the downbeat of 1 -- as the strings decrescendo at 1:43 -- and at 2:23 a few beats before "I'm changing, arranging." |
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This does create the 3:33 edit you found. But this still doesn't shorten the song to the 3:12-3:17-ish dj edit that seems to exist. Does anyone know what else to edit out (besides the guitar solo) to get the 3:12 dj edit? Or, once the guitar is edited out, is it an early fade?
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Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYXR4fG95mU
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Thanks, Aaron. So it has the edit, followed by an early fade.
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Pat has all the correct lengths posted for everything involving this song in the database.
And I did finally get a 1970 promo copy, and discovered that there is a different edit point on the mono promo and the stereo re-issue that London
records put out, probably in the early 80's.
The 1970 edit point also matches the edit point on the 1974 London Special Products (Brookville Records) "English Cats and Others", which re-
channeled the edit to fake stereo. So that LP contains the original edit point.
When London records created the early 80's re-issue (guessing again the release date) they made the edit point slightly later, and didn't fade out
the song early, so that ran 3:34. The stereo was also narrowed. But they printed the time at 3:18 which matched the actual run time of the 1970
promo.
Then in the digital age, Polygram Special Products released their CD "One Hit Wonders" where apparently, somebody grabbed the early 80's reissue
tape, didn't narrow it but loaded it on to a broken reel to reel machine, so the song starts at the right speed and then quickly drags down to a way
too slow sounding transfer. But whomever threw that together probably had never heard the song and didn't know any different. Which is why it runs
3:47.
I suppose that makes it an unsuccessful attempt at re-creating the DJ edit, and runs much slower than the 45 or LP.
Interesting how many times they managed to get a single song wrong.
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