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Pat Downey
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Just picked up the latest Glass Tiger compilation of hits titled "No Turning Back", Capitol 64203 released in early March 2005. The track lineup on the cd jacket adds the following comments for these 4 top 40 hits:
Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone) single mix
Someday single version
I Will Be There single version
I'm Still Searching single version
"I'm Still Searching" is indeed a 45 version which I had not caught before but the other 3 songs do not appear to my ears to be any different than the LP version so can anyone point out any edits or remixes on those 3 songs that warrant a comment like the comments found on the tray card of the cd?
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Pat:
On my "45/single/LP version distinctions..." thread, I noted the LP version of "I Will Be There" runs 3:26, but Joel Whitburn reports a commercial single run time of 3:08. Meanwhile, www.allmusic.com lists the song's run time on the No Turning Back CD at 3:11. This seems to suggest the 45 version has a shorter run time than the LP version. Do you have a copy of the 45 and, if so, how long does it run?
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Todd, the cd (or LP version) of "I Will Be There" does indeed run 3:26 and although I don't have the 45 of this song, Whitburn does list it as running 3:08 and on the "No Turning Back" cd it runs 3:09, I will assume that 3:08 is really the 45 timing BUT this 3:09 appearance on the "No Turning Back" cd is just an early fade of the LP version. My question is, since the cd jacket states that this is a single "version" what makes this appearance a 45 "version" rather than a 45 "length" as other than the early fade of the LP version, I hear no difference in the mix. For the other 2 songs I am asking about, I am questioning the statement on the cd jacket of "single mix" or "single version" as well since their running times are identical to the LP version.
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Pat:
As you know, we being die-hard collectors, we're very particular about the standards we use in classifying a recording as "45 version", "45 length", "LP version, "LP length", and so forth. We also know record labels unfortunately tend to be not as careful about this sort of thing. The folks who compiled the Glass Tiger No Turning Back CD may very well think of "single version" as any song identically matching its commercial 45 release, regardless if the 45 is merely an early fade of the LP version. That being said, it seems very possible, even likely, that "I Will Be There" is really the "single length" despite the tray card's claim of "single version". Hopefully, someone here has a vinyl 45 who can confirm this. (Ed?)
As for "Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone)" and "Someday", I'll do my best to purchase a copy of the No Turning Back disc within the next couple of days so I can perform a precise A/B comparison with the LP versions and see if there are any distinguishable differences. I'll report back what I find.
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I just got my copy of the Glass Tiger No Turning Back CD today. After doing some A/B comparisons on my Adobe Audition 1.5 software, I have concluded that "Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone)" and "Someday", which are stated to be the single versions on this CD, are identical to the LP versions. I found no differences whatsoever.
Regarding "I Will Be There", I did an A/B comparison between the 3:09 version on the No Turning Back disc and the 3:26 LP version. On the LP version, Glass Tiger's lead singer Alan Frew and guest vocalist Bryan Adams take turns on lead vocals beginning at the 1:29 mark. But on the 3:09 version, Alan Frew sings lead throughout the entire song while Bryan Adams is not on the recording at all except at the 2:08 mark where he's heard yelling "YEAH!" just like on the LP version. I consulted Edtop40 on this and he says his commercial vinyl 45 copy matches my preceding description of the 3:09 version on the No Turning Back CD. Therefore, "I Will Be There" on this disc is the 45 version and is not just an early fade of the LP version.
Finally, "I'm Still Searching" on the No Turning Back disc is actually a radio edit, not the 45 version. The 45 and LP version are the same. I have the promo CD for this song on EMI-Manhattan DPRO 04011 and reviewed it on the "DJ edit additions..." thread a while back.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
Regarding "I Will Be There"...On the LP version, Glass Tiger's lead singer Alan Frew and guest vocalist Bryan Adams take turns on lead vocals beginning at the 1:29 mark. But on the 3:09 version, Alan Frew sings lead throughout the entire song while Bryan Adams is not on the recording at all except at the 2:08 mark where he's heard yelling "YEAH!" just like on the LP version. |
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Does anyone know the story why Bryan Adams' vocals were removed from the single version? Just like with "Don't Forget Me When I'm Gone" it would seem having some star power could only help its success. I tried Googling, but couldn't find any info about it.
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995wlol wrote:
Does anyone know the story why Bryan
Adams' vocals were removed from the single version? Just
like with "Don't Forget Me When I'm Gone" it would seem
having some star power could only help its success. I
tried Googling, but couldn't find any info about it.
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My guess is A&M didn't want a competing Brian Adams vocal
line on the radio at that time (for oversaturation
reasons) and asked EMI if they could rework the single
(or not release it). This happened occasionally back
then, e.g. "The Monkey Time" by The Tubes had Martha
Davis's vocal replaced by Michele Gray to avoid competing
with Motels' hits.
Another hypothesis is the band wanted to not continue to
be in the shadow of a superstar and have their 3rd single
feature Adams like their first...
Andy
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