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Pat Downey
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Posted: 04 June 2007 at 7:55pm \| IP Logged

Jim asked me to look into possible 45 vs LP differences for the song "Been To Canaan" by Carole King. I believe I hear strings in the background of the 45 from :41 to :47 that I do not hear on the LP but I would like to get other opinions on this before I claim a 45 version exists for this song. Thoughts?

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Posted: 05 June 2007 at 6:18pm \| IP Logged

At the very least, the strings are mixed up louder than on the LP version,
but it also sounds as though there are higher string notes that I can't hear
on my LP (my reference LP is Her Greatest Hits). I would say it at
least garners a "45 mix" reference.

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Posted: 12 June 2007 at 11:19pm \| IP Logged

I finally had a chance to do an A/B comparison between the vinyl 45 of "Been to Canaan" that Pat shot out to me and Carole King's Her Greatest Hits CD (Ode/Epic/Legacy 65846). No question, I clearly hear the strings Pat is alluding to from :41 to :47 on the 45. I believe the strings are on the CD too, but they're buried way in the background to the point where they're practically inaudible. I tend to agree with Paul that the CD should warrant an "LP mix" comment.

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Posted: 14 June 2007 at 8:27pm \| IP Logged

Has anyone listened to "Been To Canaan" on the "Rhymes And Reasons" CD? Is it the same 'LP Mix' as the Greatest Hits?

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Posted: 14 June 2007 at 8:29pm \| IP Logged

Yes

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Posted: 15 June 2007 at 10:29am \| IP Logged

LOL, guess I'll have to order the 45 for my own comparison.

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Posted: 15 June 2007 at 5:58pm \| IP Logged

Ordered the stock 45 tonight. Will be anxious to hear the difference from :41-:47.

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Posted: 18 June 2007 at 11:23am \| IP Logged

I will also confirm the strings can be heard on the mono stock 45 (Ode 66031)

Edited by eriejwg on 18 June 2007 at 11:23am

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Posted: 15 September 2012 at 9:12am \| IP Logged

well.....i consider my ears to be pretty
good.....BUT....i just listened to the remastered
greatest hits cd versus the vinyl 45 and they sound
exactly the same to me during the alleged 0:41-0:47
period of the song that is supposed to be
different........so i'm going to have to dissent and
voice my disapproval of the 'lp mix' notation in the
db.....i know it's just one man's opinion, except for
todd's apprehension, but to me they are the same
version....i have mentioned this before......with
headphones on and when comparing a mono mix versus a
stereo mix, the song WILL sound different and it's
possible that some components of the song might sound as
if they are not there....but, i believe it's because of
the method of sound delivery; ie;stereo v mono, that is
throwing people off....if the 45 was in stereo, it would
sound more like the cd version.....so, in
conclusion.....to me, this is one of those instances...

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Posted: 15 September 2012 at 3:02pm \| IP Logged

I just A/B'd my stock 45 with the track from my promo copy of the Rhymes & Reasons LP (Ode 77016; a Monarch pressing) and IMO there's no question that the strings are missing from the LP track between :41 and :47.

At the :41 mark, the difference is noticeable between the words "mind" and "of." The strings that are easy to hear on the 45 can't be heard on either the left or the right channel of the vinyl LP. I compared using only the left channel in both channels, first, then only the right channel in both channels. No strings.

If this were actually a stereo vs. mono situation, the strings would have to be present in at least one of the channels of the stereo LP. But they're not. The 45 definitely had some extra sweetening, thus making it sound a little less acoustically stark within the competitive top-40 marketplace.

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Posted: 15 September 2012 at 3:38pm \| IP Logged

edtop40 wrote:

So you're claiming then, Ed, that you can hear strings from the :41-:47 mark of your remastered Carole King Greatest Hits CD (Ode/Epic/Legacy 65846)? Interesting... I suppose it's possible there could be a second pressing of the CD containing the 45 mix. If you want to e-mail me a dub of "Been to Canaan" from your CD, I'll be glad to take a listen and report back with my thoughts.

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Posted: 15 September 2012 at 4:45pm \| IP Logged

what i am saying is that the two versions sound the same to
me......i can't hear any noticeable strings on either the
cd or 45..

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Posted: 15 September 2012 at 8:59pm \| IP Logged

Ed,
don't forget, you may also be discovering that there may
have been 2 versions of the 45.
mm

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Posted: 22 January 2017 at 11:24am \| IP Logged

this one i really baffling me.....my commercial 45 issued
as ode 66031 has the run out groove etching 'ODE 66063-
T1'....i don't hear any strings either on my commercial 45,
the cd version or a clean-up 45 dub mark sent to me awhile
ago, in the alleged 0:41-0:47 area.....they all sound the
same....i guess i must be losing my hearing at my advanced
age!!!.........can someone send me a copy of their 45 so i
can compare it to mine?...thx

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Posted: 22 January 2017 at 4:05pm \| IP Logged

Ed send me a dub of your 45 and I'll confirm what you
have.

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Posted: 23 January 2017 at 6:36pm \| IP Logged

I compared my promo 45 (mono) ODE-66031 (deadwax ODE 66063-ME) to Carole King Her Greatest Hits CD EK 34967, Natural Woman The Very Best of Carole King 5-099749 618121 UK Import and Carole King The Ode Collection box 48833.
I could not hear any significant strings from :41 to :47 as described.
Listening to the L-R revealed the presence of strings on the box set CD. By far this has the best sound quality with the Greatest Hits having the worst (lack of high end). The piano and bongo drums are clearly pronounced on the box set CD.
The 45, being mono, had no content in the L-R domain.

Edited by Smokin' TomGary on 23 January 2017 at 6:37pm

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