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My commercial 45 has a listed time of (3:10), but an actual time of (3:06).
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Hmmmm, a few days ago I did a needle drop of an original stock 45 and mine runs 3:08. I can hear where the long fade tape comes to an edited end, so perhaps that's the difference? My TT has a strobe, which means the speed had to be correct.
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Gary, is it possible we have different commercial 45 pressings? What is your deadwax info? Mine is a machine-typed "UZKM--5437--4S". My stopwatch time was actually (3:05+), rounded up to (3:06), making your (3:08) timing even a little more surprising to me. A long tape fade can certainly add a couple of seconds, plus or minus, but I had my volume up FULL at the end, and to me it was gone at (3:06). But I can't say that I heard the edit of the tape fade that you did. FYI, the 4 mono CD appearances in the database have one timed at (3:05), 2 timed at (3:06), and one timed at (3:07), so we both appear to be real close to what's offered on CD, at least for the mono 45 mix.
Edited by jimct on 20 June 2007 at 7:59pm
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Mine is UZKM--5437-10S (the second character is a Z, not a 2, as noted elsewhere on the label).
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Years ago I had a promotional copy of this record, but it is sadly no longer in my collection. I do have a stock copy but it is buried in a box in storage right now, but now im curious as to what version is on it.
I might suggest to you that the best way to time your 45s is to do it digitally....get some software like Adobe Audition, learn how to record from your turntable into your computer, make direct dubs, remove excess time, fade up the endings as much as you can and listen for the absolute end of the song that way....it is also a bit more accurate for timing than a stopwatch can be because as a human you could start it a split second too early or too late which could affect a +/- 1 second ending....
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Tom, I am sorry that you are frustrated with the way I time records, and, yes, I am a human being that doesn't do it digitally. Your "suggestion" would take me absolutely FOREVER! Doing all of these timings is such a daunting task that even Mr. Whitburn himself, in all of his years publishing books, hasn't bothered to do all of them yet. Now I know Paul Haney is making solid progress on it now, but most timings in the book are still the listed times on the 45. Doing timings with a stopwatch does NOT mean I am inaccurate, however, and I believe that the several hundred timings I have offered up over the past year + has withstood the scrutiny of our fanatically-detail-oriented Board memebers quite well, including our Moderator, Mr. Downey, whose trust you have to EARN around here. I'm pleased to say that I have. The more you do the timings, the better you get at it, and I've got the stopwatch thing down. I cue up each 45 on my DJ turntable first, to get that first note's timing PERFECT. Believe me, I KILL myself to get the timings correct, to the EXACT second, every time. Tom, has it ever occured to you that my stopwatch timings, although low-tech, may in fact be correct? Personally, I know I am getting very frustrated by how many times YOU'VE posted recently that all your stuff is packed up in storage, and unavailable to check for us! Hey, I understand you're moving and all, and I wish you good luck with that, but what good does that info do any of us now, until you've got them once again available to check for us? You can always post a response when you're all moved in and unpacked, and I look forward to it. Sometimes I get the impression that you think you know everything, and that you are perfect, Tom. And that we others sometimes don't measure up. Just my opinion. To me, honestly, it does gets a little tiresome. As for you only knowing about a Jan & Dean promo/stock 45 small time difference, all I can tell you is that I have happened upon MANY others that you simply don't know about. I don't bother to post all of these small differences, because they are less than :03 seconds (Pat's "timing difference threshold"), and I use the "seems-to-be-of-much-more-interest" commercial copy length as the "gold standard" timing for my Board posts. It is possible that this IS the case, Tom, and that you just didn't know about it until now! We are friends, sir, and I greatly respect all of your amazing knowledge, especially with you being so young and all. You sound like you were a straight-A student in school. Well, Tom, so was I, and I know for a fact that others on this Board were as well! I also learned, way back then, that an open mind is a sign of intelligence! Other people here, besides you, Tom, can also sometimes provide accurate details, and maybe we can even enlighten YOU once in a while, the way I see it. Giving us on the Board an occasional "benefit of the doubt" would certainly go a long way, in my opinion, and forgive me for "venting" a little. I know this isn't what this Board is for. Going forward, if I can ever help you, Tom, as I have before, you know I will....
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My clean DJ 45 has a listed time of 3:10 with a dead wax of UZKM-5437-4 S, and on my Techniques Quartz turntable (discarded from a radio station) runs 3:06 like Jim's copy.
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The mono 45 version from the "Greatest Hits" CD runs 3:06.
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