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Pat, I disagree with what you're calling the "45 version" and "LP version" in the database. My "First Offense" vinyl LP has the exact same version that's been on 90% of the CDs out there, and I feel that the version on the "First Offense" CD should be labeled "alternate version" (specifically, it's the original Canadian version.) I bought this LP when "It Ain't Enough" was moving up the charts, so it's a pretty early pressing. (FYI - My inner ring # is ST-1-17117 Z-8.)
In fact, the DVD of Corey's videos has 2 videos for "It Ain't Enough" -- both differ visually and aurally, and the "alternate" version on that "First Offense" CD is what is listed as the Canadian version of the video.
It's possible that the original U.S. LP had the "Canadian" mix and that the single mix was subsituted onto the LP as "It Ain't Enough" moved up the charts - similar to what they did with "Greatest Love of All" and "Two Doors Down". If so, then "single version" and "album version" is still incorrect, as the majority of LPs would have the "single version" anyway.
But does anyone actually have an LP with the alternate/original Canadian mix?
My guess is that for the U.S. LP they went with what is on the "It Ain't Enough" 45, and that when they made the U.S. CD back in the '80s, there already existed a Canadian CD so they just used that as the master for the U.S. CD. (But I could be wrong...)
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My USA promo-stamped album has a different mix than the USA single.
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My vinyl LP has matrix number ST-1-17117-Z-1 and is a promo LP and is the same version that appears on the cd of "First Offense".
Edison are you saying that your vinyl LP has what I call the 45 version on it? Are you sure that you don't have a Canadian pressing of the vinyl LP?
It is always a possibility that the LP was mastered differently after the single "It Ain't Enough" became a hit so does anyone else care to share with us which version appears on your "First Offense" LP?
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I checked and I do NOT have the Canadian pressing of the LP. It was made in Hollywood, CA.
And yes, my LP has the version that's found on the "Singles", "Love Bites" and "Classic Masters" CDs.
Is it possible that only the promo LPs have the alt version - since the only 2 people above who have the alt mix have it on a promo LP?
Either way, since I bought my LP as "It Ain't Enough" was climbing the chart (and that there may be even more LPs with the single version than the first version), I'd say this should be described in the database the same way you describe "Two Doors Down" and Whitney's "Greatest Love of All" and that the terms "single version" and "album version" no longer apply.
BTW, for anyone else who compares the versions, the intro melodies are VERY different from each other, so you don't have to play more than a couple seconds of a recording to know which version you've got.
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Actually, this isn't the same situation as Whitney's "Greatest Love of All" as both single and album versions were available on the "Whitney Houston" CD at different times. This is more like the Dolly Parton situation where on the LP, the LP version was quickly replaced with the single version as the single version was taking off (assuming anyone can confirm that what I'm calling the LP version for "It Ain't Enough" was ever actually on the commercial LP) -- and only one version of the song ever existed on the CD. The only difference is that in the Dolly situation, the CD contains the 2nd version, and in the Corey situation, the CD contains the first version.
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I don't find them labeled as Canadian and American; I found Version 1 and version 2.
I hear version one as having open picked chords in the intro, while version two has staccato picked rhythm notes.
Which one is the U.S. single version? I'm still unclear from this thread and the database.
Version One
Version Two
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I have a dub of the American 12 inch single.
The bass has a 1 second line then the guitars kick in
and it runs 3:28.
And this is the version I heard on CHR radio so I
consider this the American single and hit version.
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I hope the following isn't confusing:
The video that you (and YouTube) have labeled as "Version 2" is what's on the single and what was played on the radio and MTV-US. It was on the US vinyl LP "First Offense" (released in 1984 or according to Discogs, '83). At least this hit radio/MTV version is on MY LP, which has an inner ring # is ST-1-17117 Z-8.
When I upgraded my vinyl LP of "First Offense" to CD in 1985 (the 1st time a US CD of this album was released), it had a version I wasn't familiar with. Not really sure what to call it - an "alternate" release? the original Canadian LP version? It wasn't on the US LP I had. It was new to me.
In Canada the album first was released on CD format in 1983, 2 years earlier than the US - here's the link:
https://www.discogs.com/Corey-Hart-First-Offense/release/122 27688
It's possible that the 1983 Canadian CD had this 'different' version. And the alternate mix could have very well been the single version in Canada - thus the other video for the song - labeled as "Version 1" on YouTube, which is both visually and aurally different.
My only guess for the new video for the song (Version 2) was so that it would match the US version - what was on the US LP that I had, and the US 45. (I bought the LP as "It Ain't Enough" was climbing the charts, not during the run of "Sunglasses at Night").
I eventually found the "right" mix on CD on a various artist comp (Rhino's "Love Bites - More Romantic Power Ballads") and on the Corey Hart comp "Singles" - and then on later compilations.
In summary, in the database, this mystery/alternate mix is only on one CD: "First Offense" - and it's labeled in the database as "original "First Offense" vinyl LP version". Does anyone here have an early version of the LP that DOESN'T match the hit version? (Maybe Pat??)
BTW, an easy way to tell the difference between the two mixes is ...
When the song really kicks in on the videos, the "alternate"/"non-hit" mix has a 4-note guitar pattern, then a long space (about 6 beats) before the guitar plays another note. The hit version (and video) has a different guitar sound that has 8 notes in a row, then a slight break (like half a second), then continues on with 7 more guitar notes in a row. I believe both videos start with 16 seconds of sound not found anywhere else except on the videos.
Edited by EdisonLite on 28 September 2020 at 2:24am
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PS - If no one here (including Pat) has an LP with the non-hit version, that would be very interesting. Then the first presence of this alternate mix would be on the "First Offense" CD.
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PPS In an odd coincidence, I happened to come across (and play a little of) both "It Ain't Enough" videos about 10 minutes before coming across this thread. How bizarre is that? (I was looking for some lesser known Corey Hart songs on video - and these 2 came up - and I played the beginnings because I wanted to remind myself how the intros differed!)
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Hi people,
Please keep in mind that my promo-stamped US copy of the
album that has the alternate mix also has a bar code on
the jacket - so I wouldn't be surprised if some copies
made it to the stores.
I mention this only to clarify that the LP itself does
not indicate that it's a promotional copy.
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The two Youtube clips were placed there by Unidisc,
which a few years ago purchased Aquarius Records, the
Canadian indie label to which Corey Hart was signed.
The other big act they had was April Wine. Capitol/EMI
held an option to release Aquarius material in the US
(and, I believe, worldwide). Capitol released Corey
Hart on their EMI America label and April Wine on its
main Capitol label.
Both "Sunglasses At Night" and "It Ain't Enough" were
much bigger chart hits in the US than in Canada, and
that may well have been because Canada did not yet
have a cable music video channel at the time.
"Sunglasses At Night" (Aquarius 6007) only reached #24
on the chart of the Canadian trade publication
RPM in March 1984. By the time "Sunglasses At
Night" peaked at #7 in Billboard in September, "It
Ain't Enough" had already fallen off the RPM
chart, having peaked at #71. Both songs did not start
receiving heavy Canadian airplay until they became US
hits, but they did not re-enter the Canadian charts
(they apparently were already being considered
recurrents). The first Canadian 45 pressings of "It
Ain't Enough" (Aquarius 6011) are what is labeled on
Youtube as 'Version 1'. Later Canadian 45 pressings
(Aquarius 6011 Rev.) are 'Version 2', described on the
label as "New Video Mix", of which I purchased a copy
after it had made the Billboard Top 40. The Canadian
"New Video Mix" 45 (which even had a different picture
sleeve than the original issue) was most likely not
issued until after the song had already fallen off the
RPM chart. That, going by the label numbers, Aquarius
released only three singles between the first two
Corey Hart singles is an indication of how small a
label it was.
I am a bit suspicious about some of the relevant
release dates on Discogs. They are likely taken from
the copyright dates.
I am surprised to learn from the database and this
thread that the original version was released at all
in the US, as I have always assumed that the second
version was the work of Capitol/EMI America and not
Aquarius.
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So it sounds like "version one" may have been released first in the US, but the hit version is "version two."
That's exactly what I needed to know; thank you all!
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Interesting info Paul C - especially that these 1st 2 US Corey Hart singles didn't do nearly as well in his home country. I never knew that. Second thing: In 1984 Canada didn't yet have a music video channel? That surprises me so much because we got our 1st one on Aug 1, 1981. And with the close proximity of Canada, I would have assumed Canada would have had an equivalent channel within a year of that.
I get what you're saying about these 2 songs not re-charting after their big US success. But did the singles from Corey's next album (presumably after Corey's US success) do much better on the Canadian charts?
And speaking of which, is there a Canadian charts book I can buy? Like our Whitburn Top Pop Singles in the US?
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NightAire wrote:
| So it sounds like "version one" may have been released first in the US, but the hit version is "version two." That's exactly what I needed to know; thank you all! |
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Gene, definitely. "Version 2" is the hit version. Version 1 appeared on the parent CD - and apparently early copies of LP (certainly promo and quite possibly commercial ones). The LP definitely contained the hit version once that version was climbing the charts.
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On a side note:
First Corey Hart Promo 12" serviced to U.S. AOR was
"Sunglasses At Night" long/short SPRO-9097.
Next, the LP 'First Offence' was serviced to AOR (with
the original "It Ain't Enough" as I mentioned in an
earlier post).
Then, a two-sided Promo 12" SPRO-9202 was issued to
AOR - the tracks "Lamp At Midnite" (I believe this
track was the same mix as the Lp) & the ORIGINAL mix
of "It Ain't Enough".
Lastly, when "It Ain't Enough" was slated to be the
2nd 45 off the album a new AOR Promo 12" SPRO-9259
was issued with both sides the NEW mix of "It Ain't
Enough" (although it wasn't labeled remix or new mix).
I hope this info might be of any interest to anybody
out there...
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
Lastly, when "It Ain't Enough" was
slated to be the
2nd 45 off the album a new AOR Promo 12" SPRO-9259
was issued with both sides the NEW mix of "It Ain't
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Wow, that promo must be exceedingly rare--it isn't even on
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