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On Diana's "To Love Again" CD, it lists Theme From Mahogany as "single mix". But according to Pat's database, there is only one version of the song. Is there truly only one mix of this song -- or a single and album mix -- or is the version on "To Love Again" more accurately described as "alternate mix"?
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Yeah, I don't hear any difference on that mix... I never could figure out why it says, "Single Mix," unless the soundtrack version is different.
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I find that sometimes, a tape box is labeled "single mix", so that's what they copy printers put in the liner notes. Maybe there was a different mix, LP mix, or soundtrack mix that was never issued. There are probably several reasons of it.
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My commercial 45 has a listed time of (3:19), but an actual time of (3:22).
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Did there exist a CLEAN vinyl copy of this? Every copy of the single I've ever run across (I'm talking new, previously unplayed copies, not junk from the dime bin at a record convention) has been full of tics & pops.
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My best luck with ANYTHING Motown vinyl from the 70's and 80's is a white label promo copy.
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My white label promo copy is pressed on yellow vinyl, and sounds fine. The "Sweet Love" DJ 45 by The Commodores was also shipped on yellow vinyl at roughly the same time.
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eriejwg wrote:
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Motown 45's in the 60's were no picnic either. But since most songs were up-tempo, the hiss and other anomalies were better hidden.
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I was at WTRY and we got to the point with Motown product where we would demand a 15ips tape dub. And we'd get it. I remember specifically getting one for "With You I'm Born Again" by Preston/Syretta as it was unplayable, even with the white label promo. They used really cheap vinyl.
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Bill, we had to do the exact same thing at our station, especially for the many sparse, slow Commodores/Lionel Richie hit releases. And, like Bill hints, Motown would always bellyache about having to send out the clean-sounding, 15ips reel-to-reel tapes, but they always would. And thank goodness for them, because it would've been pop/click city on-the-air for us without 'em! I wonder if any of those old 15ips tapes ever pop up on eBay?
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jimct wrote:
| Bill, we had to do the exact same thing at our station, especially for the many sparse, slow Commodores/Lionel Richie hit releases. And, like Bill hints, Motown would always bellyache about having to send out the clean-sounding, 15ips reel-to-reel tapes, but they always would. And thank goodness for them, because it would've been pop/click city on-the-air for us without 'em! |
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Technical question--would those have been used for carting purposes, or were those reels how they were played on-air?
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Doug, they were all carted up in our station's production studio. I don't think any other station would've ever done it any differently. I can't even imagine asking our jocks to cue up a reel-to-reel tape, just to play one song! You never know, though...
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Thanks Jim. I kinda figured that was the case.
I do know of one radio station in (suburban) Chicago that basically programmed all of their music off of four huge reel-to-reel tapes (all were vinyl dubs). If something a DJ wanted to play wasn't on one of the reels or couldn't be cued quickly enough, they retrieved a vinyl copy.
(Eventually they gravitated to CDs, but it took a long while.)
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Meanwhile, on the other side of the coin, none of the Top 40 stations I worked for from 1964-1980 ever had a problem with noisy Motown pressings. I was so picky about pops & clicks and off-center pressings that I was the one who wound up making sure we had clean records to play. We rarely carted music, except with hard-to-find oldies or special edits.
As a result, when our stations (Phoenix, Wichita, Dallas-Fort Worth) added a new record to our playlist, I always asked record companies or local distributors for 5 or 10 promo copies....and we usually got them. The "leftovers" were later used for oldies play.
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Wow, Gary, you must've got your Motown promo 45s pressed at a "higher quality" plant, that serviced Top 40 stations out west; I have seen a wide quality disparity in various 70's Motown promo 45s, even for the same song. I am amazed that you had pop-and-clickless promo 45 copies for "Still" and "Three Times A Lady"; I believe you, though. But, trust me, some of us "out east" had no choice; calling Motown for reel-to-reels was not something we really wanted to bother with, I assure you!
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Something sounds odd on the opening note on TM Century version. The intro is truncated for a split second. If anyone has been able to compare the two you can hear what I mean.
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EdisonLite wrote:
| On Diana's "To Love Again" CD, it lists Theme From Mahogany as "single mix". But according to Pat's database, there is only one version of the song. Is there truly only one mix of this song -- or a single and album mix -- or is the version on "To Love Again" more accurately described as "alternate mix"? |
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I've wondered that, too. For some reason I'm thinking that I found out that the version in the film is a little bit different, has a different vocal take in some parts of the song or something, and that's why it's called "Single Version." But I'm not really sure.
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prisdeej wrote:
| Something sounds odd on the opening note on TM Century version. The intro is truncated for a split second. If anyone has been able to compare the two you can hear what I mean. |
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It was like that on its first CD appearance, way back on the early '80s "Diana Ross - Compact Command Performances" CD.
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The version on Compact Command Performance 14 Greatest Hits (1984) is missing the first 0.3 seconds of the opening note. It's very noticeable in a side-by-side comparison.
The following CDs are all differently-EQ'd digital clones of Compact, and also miss the the first 0.3 seconds of the opening note:- Motown's Twelve #1 Hits From The 70's (copyright 1982)
- Motown's Endless Love 15 Of Motown's Greatest Love Songs (1986)
- Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk Vol. 7 Hearts In Motion (1996)
Too bad, because aside from the opening note, the song sounds quite nice on these discs. There may be others, too, that have this opening note problem, but these are all that I have.
The CDs (that I have) that have the opening note intact are a mixed bag:- Motown's single-artist All The Great Hits (copyright 1981) is pretty good for this song
- Silver Eagle/Motown's 3-CD Motown Anniversary (copyright 1983) is abysmal, with really terrible source tapes
- Time-Life's 4-CD Great Love Songs Of The 70's And 80's Vol. 1 Then Came You (1991) sounds OK, but the volume levels are a bit low, and this collection is kinda rare
- Razor & Tie's 2-CD Viva Las Vegas (1997) sounds good, but is crazy uncommon.
My recommendation: There may be better discs out there, but I'd go with Motown's single-artist All The Great Hits (copyright 1981). It should be pretty cheap nowadays.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 22 August 2016 at 6:54am
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I only have this song on two discs. One is the the 2003
Diana Ross & The Supremes "The #1's" compilation that
gathers stereo remixes of the group's number one hits
alongside Diana's solo number ones. The other place I
have it is the 2006 "Definitive Collection".
However these two mixes seem to be different. The bass
in the intro of "Definitive..." is mixed just slightly
more prominently and there is a small cymbal swell
before the vocal comes in on "The #1's" that isn't
present on "Definitive".
Both sound good but I'm not sure which is the correct
one as I don't have another source for them.
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