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aaronk
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Although the database does not currently have any information on this, the hit "Self Control" by Laura Branigan runs exactly (3:56) on the 45. CD run times range from (3:59) to (4:06). I do not have the vinyl LP to be able to verify the LP length.
Edited by aaronk on 13 October 2007 at 12:12am
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Todd Ireland
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Thought I'd bump this thread back to the forefront to see if anyone has the Laura Branigan Self Control vinyl LP from 1984 on Atlantic who can pass along the title track's run time?
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Bumping again to see if anyone has any info on the vinyl LP length. The current CD version of Self Control features the now common 4:06 version (with the guitar solo in the intro that's missing from the single). I only ask because I recall hearing an even longer version back in 1984, although that may have come from the 12" single.
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Todd Ireland
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Glad you brought this up, mstgator... I remember hearing "Self Control" with the edited intro many times on the radio (especially AC stations) back when the song was a hit. I guess I'd always presumed this to be a DJ edit, but it sounds like you're claiming this is also representative of the commercial 45 version. If this is the case, then the database will need to be updated to show which CDs contain the 45 version (if any) and which contain the LP version.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| Glad you brought this up, mstgator... I remember hearing "Self Control" with the edited intro many times on the radio (especially AC stations) back when the song was a hit. I guess I'd always presumed this to be a DJ edit, but it sounds like you're claiming this is also representative of the commercial 45 version. If this is the case, then the database will need to be updated to show which CDs contain the 45 version (if any) and which contain the LP version. |
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Actually there were two different commercial 45 versions, one with the guitar intro and one without. I remember this because I bought the 45 pretty soon after it was released and it contained the guitar intro, which was my favorite part of the song. My girlfriend at the time bought the 45 a couple of weeks later and didn't have the guitar intro. She was so mad that she returned the 45.
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Nice finding!
I found a dub of the "Self Control" LP in my cassette library. (Probably, this tape is a source from a Japanese pressing LP.) And I compared it with the commercial 45 (Atrantic 7-89676).
"Laura" starts singing at :08 on my 45. This version doesn't have the guitar intro. Thank you.
I make an unnecessary addition.
A Japanese pressing 45 of the "Self Control" have the guitar intro. But this is the same as the LP version.
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Can someone comment on how the guitar-less intro version was done? Is it just an edit or was something different done to the mix? I vastly prefer the guitar version, but it has been 25 years (!) since I heard the shorter version and I'm just curious.
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Roscoe:
You're right! There are 2 pressings of the "Self Control" commercial 45.
I have found the other US commercial 45 in my spoiled 45 box! This has the guitar intro. But I was not able to clock the actual running time and I couldn't play the first 1:00. Because this 45 is a warp condition. But I could confirm that this 45 has an early fadeout than the LP (about :11).
(With guitar intro)
ATLANTIC 89676 ST-A-46164-1 The listed time 3:55
(Without guitar intro)
ATLANTIC 89676 ST-A-46368-1 The listed time 3:50, the actual running time 3:56
the description of "Edit" on the record label.
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abagon wrote:
(With guitar intro)
ATLANTIC 89676 ST-A-46164-1 The listed time 3:55 |
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Abagon, my ST-A-46164-1 commercial 45 runs an actual 3:56. The label states a time of 4:08, which differs from your 3:55-labeled copy.
Both sides of my DJ 45 also state 4:08. Its matrix numbers are ST-A-46164-1 and ST-A-46164-2.
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Yah Shure wrote:
| The label states a time of 4:08, which differs from your 3:55-labeled copy. |
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Hmmm, and it also reveals that Harold "Axel F" Faltermeyer apparently spelled his name differently in '84, lol...
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Yah Shure, Great condition record and beautiful label pictuire!
It's sure there are at least 3 different pressing 45s of the "Self Control."
Although my "with guitar intro"-45 is a very bad condition. I challenged to clock the actual running time again.
I used a stabilizer, and adhesive tape on the record edge. Miraculously, it could've done.
(Without guitar intro)
ATLANTIC 89676 ST-A-46368-1 The listed time 3:50, the actual running time 3:56
the description of "Edit" on the record label. (the edited out :08- :17)
label:without guitar 45
(With guitar intro)
ATLANTIC 89676 ST-A-46164-1 The listed time 3:55 and the actual running time 3:56.
only a fadeout from the LP.
label:with guitar intro 45
--abagon
Edited by abagon on 22 June 2009 at 7:17am
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Thanks for the scans, abagon! I can see why the "edit" copy made it to your spoiled box. Thanks for the extra effort in timing it.
80smusicfreak, it could be that the typesetters were so concerned with getting the various Italian spellings correct that poor Harold somehow fell through the cracks. My immediate first impression upon looking at abagon's scan was that "Axel F's" full name was Harold Faltermeier Edit.
It's sort of like Manilow's "Ready To Take A Chance Again" scan on the "Lyrics by Norman Gimbelend / Music by Charles Fox" credit. I can just imagine the typesetter misinterpreting "Norman Gimbel and Charles Fox" as "Norman Gimbelend / Charles Fox." :)
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I don't see how the "no guitar" intro version could be a pure edit when the tail end of the guitar solo overlaps her vocal? Surely something must have been done to the mix to allow a smooth segue into the vocal. Unless they pasted in a portion of the vocal from a later section.
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Roscoe wrote:
| I don't see how the "no guitar" intro version could be a pure edit when the tail end of the guitar solo overlaps her vocal? |
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Yes! the tail end of the guitar solo overlaps her vocal.
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If I may resurrect this thread once more, I'd be interested to know if the U.S. pressings of Laura Branigan's Self Control LP contain the version of the title track with or without the guitar intro? Or could there have even been two different LP pressings like the 45?
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Just found a "no guitar" intro in our closet here at work the other day. Its a never been played promo copy. I didn't remember hearing it when it was released in that form. Now if I could only find a turntable at a radio station!
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I Finally found the 12" extended version on CD.
It runs 5:00 and the guitar does not begin until 18 seconds in.
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Edited by Indy500 on 29 November 2010 at 9:18pm
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I' ve always believed that if not the whole version, a majority of the 12" version is how the song was actually recorded and then it was edited down for the album, because there are very distinct parts that are exclusive to the 12" and not just something done at the hands of a remixer.
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Does the 12" version feature a longer break (more fading "oh-oh-oh" and beats) before the second verse "Oh the night" begins? That's what I remember hearing a few times back in '84, and the standard LP/45 version sounds almost like a rushed edit at that point.
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Yes, the 12" has the longer oh-oh-oh break. The 12" version was also the version used for the video, so that might be how you remember hearing it.
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