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Amazingly, of the three CDs I have this song on (Rhythm Nation 1814, Design Of A Decade and a promo Jimmy Jam Harris & Terry Lewis sampler), none have the hit version.
I dug out my commercial 45, which has an A-side of (7" R&B Mix - printed 4:34), and a B-side of (7" Remix - printed 4:10).
I seem to remember the B-side as being the "hit" that got the airplay, especially the cold ending. Can anyone else confirm?
Also, was there a promo CD single for "Alright"?
Edited by crapfromthepast on 10 August 2020 at 1:06pm
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I have before me a promo cd single of Janet Jackson "Alright" The Shep Pettibone Mixes (A&M CD 17981), with 7 different mixes. Some of them feature a rap section by Heavy D., while others do not.
One of the first two are probably what you're looking for: 1) 7" remix 4:33, 2) 7" R&B remix 4:51
I paid dearly for this one, when it was new and hot.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
Amazingly, of the three CDs I have this song on (Rhythm Nation 1814, Design Of A Decade and a promo Jimmy Jam Harris & Terry Lewis sampler), none have the hit version.
I dug out my commercial 45, which has an A-side of (7" R&B Mix - printed 4:34), and a B-side of (7" Remix - printed 4:10).
I seem to remember the B-side as being the "hit" that got the airplay, especially the cold ending. Can anyone else confirm?
Also, was there a promo CD single for "Alright"? |
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Does this mean that the "45 version" notation in the database on Design Of A Decade is incorrect? Or are you indicating that the B-side got more radio play?
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My 'Design Of A Decade' has a version I'm unfamiliar with.
The version which received the most CHR/Top-40 play was the 7" remix with a time of 4:10.
I do not own the commercial 45 to compare.
Andy
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Steve Sharp wrote:
| One of the first two are probably what you're looking for: 1) 7" remix 4:33, 2) 7" R&B remix 4:51. |
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There were actually two different 7" Remix versions and two 7" R&B Remix versions. The ones on the 45 referenced in the original post are the ones without Heavy D. The ones with the longer time (quoted above) are the ones WITH Heavy D.
The confusing part is that the Japanese 5" CD (and possibly the US promo CD) just has an asterisk next to the name of the ones featuring Heavy D. You have to read the fine print to see that they are the "with Heavy D" versions, as opposed to the shorter "no rap" versions appearing on the vinyl 45. My Japanese 3" CD single has the "no rap" mixes of those two versions, while the "with Heavy D" mixes are on the Japanese 5" single.
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aaronk wrote:
| My Japanese 3" CD single has the "no rap" mixes of those two versions, while the "with Heavy D" mixes are on the Japanese 5" single. |
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There was a separate domestic three-track promo CD with the "no rap" versions, which I have. It's CD 17978, from A&M, of course:
1. Alright - 7" Remix (actual and listed 4:11)
2. Alright - 7" R&B Mix (listed 4:34, actual 4:33.5)
3. Alright - LP Version (listed 6:28, actual 6:27)
Curiously, the 7" R&B Mix here runs a few seconds shorter than on my European import CD single, where I think it runs close to 4:40. I think I inquired about the exact length of the domestic version of this mix (vinyl or cassingle) quite a while back, but I don't recall it ever being answered.
Actually, one mix I wanted I don't think was ever issued on CD: the "LP Remix," running 6:33, that was on the 12-inch single. I would assume the 7" Remix without rap is an edit of that.
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Brian W. wrote:
| Curiously, the 7" R&B Mix here runs a few seconds shorter than on my European import CD single, where I think it runs close to 4:40. I think I inquired about the exact length of the domestic version of this mix (vinyl or cassingle) quite a while back, but I don't recall it ever being answered. |
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That's the A-side of the US commercial 7" single, and my copy runs 4:33, just like your promo CD.
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Thanks, crap!
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So the version included on "Design Of A Decade" is unique to it, is that right?
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elcoleccionista wrote:
So the version included on "Design Of A Decade" is
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Could it be the 7" R&B Mix without the rap? I have 2 copies of the 7" R&B Mix
but not the 7" Remix which the radio played. Here it is....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMlUO7Hewls
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I had already asked this before and never replied Ron,
again sorry. The YouTube link is no longer active. I
suspect the Design of a Decade version is exclusive to
the compilation.
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Ron S wrote:
elcoleccionista wrote:
So the version included on "Design Of A Decade" is
unique to it, is that right? |
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Could it be the 7" R&B Mix without the rap? I have 2 copies of the 7" R&B Mix
but not the 7" Remix which the radio played. Here it is....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMlUO7Hewls |
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elcoleccionista wrote:
I had already asked this before and never replied Ron,
again sorry. The YouTube link is no longer active. I
suspect the Design of a Decade version is exclusive to
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Hi guys... I owned the cassette single for this song in 1990, which contained two versions - the 7" R&B Mix and 7" Remix - both without the rap. I also have a high quality download of an import 1990 CD single containing these rap-free mixes. I can confirm that the 'Design of a Decade' (DOAD) version matches neither of these officially released single versions.
Doing an A/B comparison of both of these versions to the DOAD mix, I can verify/validate that the intro of the DOAD version does not match the intro the official 7" R&B Mix (without rap). Additionally, the ending of the DOAD version does not match the ending of the official 7" Remix (without rap). The 7" Remix (without rap) from the original U.S. 7" and cassette singles ends cold like the LP Version, although it is remixed by Shep Pettibone/Goh Hotoda.
Seven of the 1990 "Alright" remixes were recently re-released digitally, but neither of these original 7" no-rap single mixes were included.
Furthermore … Out of curiosity, I just A/B'd the 'Design of a Decade' version against the 7" Remix WITH Rap (as available currently on iTunes, etc.) to see if perhaps the 'Design' version was the same as this mix but with the rap track muted. They also do not match each other.
It continues to appear that the 'Design of a Decade' version is a unique mix/edit unreleased elsewhere. (For the record, it has elements similar to the "R&B" set of remixes, so it could be a "new" edit created from those mixes in 1996.)
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I have finally, at long last, figured out the mystery of the "new mix" of "Alright" present on 'Design of a Decade'. The version included is not a new mix, but a new edit of 3 distinct versions of the song (all previously released):
The 'Design of a Decade' version uses bits of the 7" Remix without Rap, the 7" R&B Mix without rap, and the 12" R&B Mix. I'm specifying "Without Rap" on those first two, because their "With Rap" counterparts are not identical edits.
The first minute or so of the song is identical to the 7" Remix. There is a changeover that happens before the second verse starts at 1:26 of the 'DOAD' version, because from that point going forward, for the majority of the song, the audio is a match to the 7" R&B Mix. I believe the edit point is at :52 seconds of the 7" Remix -- there's a horn blast just before the chorus present in both mixes, and to my ears, the bass sound is just slightly different/more muted after that point in the 'DOAD' version, which would indicate that to be the edit point. The original 7" Remix (which makes up the first bit of the 'DOAD' version) has that typical Shep Pettibone additional synth-bass sound, whereas the 7" R&B Mix either doesn't have this feature or it's mixed a bit more natural and lower. If someone with more precise ears than me can spot a different edit point, let me know, but it sounds right to me.
So, from that first chorus changeover throughout the majority of the song, it's just a straight play-through of the 7" R&B Mix Without Rap. Seems like a simple exercise, doesn't it? Well, not so fast. For some ungodly reason, they saw fit to make an edit at 3:09 of the "new" (DOAD) edit to cut a few measures out and jump to later in the mix where the descending bassline is already going and the trumpet solo is about to drop in. The problem going forward is that the 7" R&B Mix Without Rap fades out before the end of the "new" (DOAD) mix, so in actuality, it appears they took the end from the 12" R&B Mix (beginning from somewhere around the 6:34 mark in that long mix) and pasted on the end. Uncontent to just let it play it naturally, there's some erratic looping of certain measures, etc., toward the fadeout of the "new" (DOAD) mix, but all of the audio is present in these three previously released mixes if one wanted to recreate the edit on their own.
To be honest, after cracking the code, the DOAD edit is kind of a dud IMO. There's a lot of dodgy pasting toward the end, and for what purpose? The compilers/producers/remaster-ers would have done better to just opt for one of the 7" R&B Mixes or the 7" Remixes, with or without rap, instead of creating this monstrosity, but here we are. I would definitely seek out one of the original CD singles instead of relying on the DOAD edit.
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EternalStatic wrote:
| To be honest, after cracking the code, the DOAD edit is kind of a dud IMO. There's a lot of dodgy pasting toward the end, and for what purpose? The compilers/producers/remaster-ers would have done better to just opt for one of the 7" R&B Mixes or the 7" Remixes, with or without rap, instead of creating this monstrosity, but here we are. I would definitely seek out one of the original CD singles instead of relying on the DOAD edit. |
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I understand your pain! I've spent ages trying to compare the DOAD version to the 7" Remix and 7" R&B Mix. I think I got to a point where I just thought they'd spliced the two together but then there is a missing "Baby baby" sample after the "Sho-nuf" sample from the 7" R&B Mix at around the 2:49 mark. In the end I worked on the assumption that the DOAD version was just another mix sitting in the vault that wasn't released at the time of the original single!
Brian W. wrote:
| Actually, one mix I wanted I don't think was ever issued on CD: the "LP Remix," running 6:33, that was on the 12-inch single. I would assume the 7" Remix without rap is an edit of that. |
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I know this was asked many years ago, but appeared to be never have been answered!
The LP Remix is similar to the 7" Remix, but you could not recreate the 7" Remix from the LP Remix.
I ripped the vinyl to a FLAC file and took out as many of the clicks and noise if anyone would like to hear the LP Remix, let me know.
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Thanks... I wish they would just make all remixes available across all
formats— always so frustrating!
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crapfromthepast wrote:
Amazingly, of the three CDs I have this song on (Rhythm Nation 1814, Design Of A Decade and a promo Jimmy Jam Harris & Terry Lewis sampler), none have the hit version.
I dug out my commercial 45, which has an A-side of (7" R&B Mix - printed 4:34), and a B-side of (7" Remix - printed 4:10).
I seem to remember the B-side as being the "hit" that got the airplay, especially the cold ending. Can anyone else confirm?
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I remember the B-Side being the hit also Ron if that helps. I was disappointed that it wasn't on Design of a Decade all those years ago...
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