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The 45 version is a remarkably simple edit of the LP version. While I have the 45 version on CD (Sessions presents Secret Love, 1987), I was quite unimpressed with the sound quality - it's very muffled, like the song used a high-generation tape master. I was also unimpressed with the LP version on the 1984 Greatest Hits CD for the same reason.
I found a much better-sounding LP version on Body Talk - Once In A Lifetime (Time-Life R834-15, 1997, mastered by Dennis Drake), which is a slightly different EQ than Sounds Of The Eighties - 1980-1982 (Time-Life R988-14, 1995). Both of these are preferable to the others in my collection.
Here are instructions for creating the 45 edit from the LP version (timings from Body Talk):
Keep the first 8 beats from 0:00.0-0:09.4.
Edit on downbeat.
Remove the 8 beats from 0:09.4-0:18.4.
Keep 0:18.4-4:03.7 (end).
Your mixdown will run 3:54.7 with an edit at 0:09.4.
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my commercial 45 issued as arista 0520 states a run time on the label as 3:41, but it actually runs 3:53
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In Clive Davis' memoir, he mentions that the version of
"All Out Of Love" that became a US hit was a
rerecording, which included a slightly rewritten lyric.
In the original Australian recording, he writes, the
title line is "I'm all out of love / I want to arrest
you". (Davis says he took a rare co-writing credit for
his improvements -- a fair deal, I'd say.)
I understand the original recording was an Oz hit but I
can't find any sign of it actually existing. Has
anyone heard this?
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Only "Lost in Love" has an earlier, different Australian recording. When "All Out of Love" was written, Graham showed it to Clive, who wanted the line re-written. Graham came back a short time later and said, "I can't think of any replacement line". So Clive came up with "I'm so lost without you" and also asked for credit and a small %. (I think it was 10%, but I don't recall exactly.) It was never recorded/released for Australia with the line "I want to arrest you" - because it never went that far. So unfortunately, you won't find any existence of this. The original Australian "Lost in Love" has shown up on 1 or 2 US CDs (and some imports). But even all Australian CDs have only the one version of "All Out Of Love" that we know.
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I will add that U.S. release of "Lost In Love" isn't a re-recording. They remixed it. I would have like it if they made the U.S mix in a long version.
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EdisonLite wrote:
| Only "Lost in Love" has an earlier, different Australian recording. The original Austrlian "Lost in Love" has shown up on or 2 US CDs (and some imports). |
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EdisonLite: I have the 5:30ish Australian version of Lost In Love on Air Supply's The Definitive Collection from 1999, but it's a vinyl transfer. I haven't found it anywhere else so are you able to point me in the direction of any other CDs that it appears on, please? Also, any idea whether any of the other CD appearances are from a tape master?
The 45 version of Lost In Love here in New Zealand was the 5:30 Australian version faded to about 4:20.
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Interesting that the 1999 Defin Collec used vinyl. I hadn't realized. I have a ton of Air Supply CDs and will try to find where else the original long version exists. I have some Australian import CDs, so hopefully it's there, and from tape. I know that one of their pre-US albums, "Life Support" (1979) has been reissued on CD by 2 different labels, and both used vinyl transfers (and not even the same transfer as each other). If that's where the long "Lost in Love" is, then we're probably out of luck - because it seems like 1979 would be the year that the long version of "Lost in Love" came out in Australia. I doubt it was on their 1977 Australian-only album "Whole Thing's Started" (different than their 1977 US album "Love and Other Bruises".) I'll look into this and get back.
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OK, I just checked, and other than "Defin Collec", the only other 2 CDs I have with the 5:41 version of "Lost in Love" are indeed those CD reissues of 1979's "Life Support" album (taken from vinyl). I see it was originally released on an Australian label called "Big Time Records". I don't know if they were a major label for Australia, but it seems to me they were "small time" records and if they couldn't save a master tape for a few years. I mea,n Air Supply broke worldwide just a year later in 1980, and the CD format was in full bloom by 1985, if not earlier. So, to think that just 6 years later after the album was released, the record label owner (or inheritor) wouldn't think to save their Air Supply tapes is baffling. I wonder what the story is behind this "Big Time Records".
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Thanks, Gordon.
I've been on the lookout for a CD copy of Life Support for quite some time. I was hoping that it used a tape source for Lost In Love, but apparently not. Yes, that version of Lost In Love was released in Australia in 1979. It also peaked at #3 on the New Zealand charts in 1979. The 45 in both countries was an early fade of the long version. Interesting that your CD copies run 5:41 as my version on Definitive Collection only runs 5:28. You mention that the two pressings of Life Support in your library both use a different vinyl transfer. Out of interest, does either of them sound better than the other? And are they good transfers? The one on Definitive Collection isn't too bad but there are some artifacts present throughout the introduction that give it away.
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There are 3 songs from "Life Support" I really like - and have added to my CDR collection and iPhone, so it was really just those 3 songs (and not "Lost in Love (lv)" that I had compared, when I bought the 2nd "Life Support" CD. But I found the cleanings in general to be comparable. Both CDs are on different record labels, which probably explains why different vinyl sources were used... although in most cases similar to this, the 2nd label usually just does a direct transfer from the original released CD, especially when their only other option is to do a new disc dub.
Anyway, I had cleaned up the 3 songs I like with the first CD I bought. Years later, after realizing it was vinyl and cleaning it, and then realizing there was another CD reissue of the album on a different label, I was hoping the 2nd CD would be from tape masters. Sadly, not the case.
My guess is the "Lost in Love" (LV) used on Definitive Collection was probably taken from one of these 2 CDs and faded early.
Interestingly, the cleanings that the CD label did on the "Life Support" CD I bought (way back when) were so clean, that for years I didn't even realize it was vinyl! I'd always listened through my stereo system speakers and it seemed like tape to me. Then, at some point, when I decided to master my CDRs in Wavelab, I listened to the 3 songs on headphones and was astonished at just how much vinyl noise was present on all 3 songs - considering I never noticed for years on speakers!
This is one of the rare times when I'd say a vinyl transfer sounds REALLY good on speakers and RATHER BAD on headphones.
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