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my cassingle issued as columbia 77254 contains, as the A-side, the "remix" version which runs 5:58......the cardboard sleeves states "special version taken from the columbia release "river of dreams"....mixed by joe nicolo, remix engineer phil nicolo, asst remix engineer dirk grobelny"....then its says "guest vocals by color me badd".......i didn't realize this nor do i hear them, but they're credited on the sleeve......this should be noted
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The database describes the version on every CD other than River Of Dreams as "remixed; LP version". As far as I can tell, this is the single version (both vinyl and cassette).
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The single version is a radio edit. The LP version is not the single version.
https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/43 82333
The remix you speak of is 5:58 and was also available on CD single:
https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/22 87684
The vinyl contains the 5:58 remix
https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/43 27706
Hope that clears up any confusion.
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https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-Soul/release/43 82333
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That’s actually not accurate. The “Single Version” on the US promo CD,
as Rich said, would be considered a DJ/radio edit (promo single
version) and not the US single version. I do agree that the shorter
radio edit is the “hit” version, but Pat would classify it as a “DJ edit.”
Edited by aaronk on 21 March 2020 at 12:06pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSvomXlbTUM
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Loveland wrote:
A member here once said that the single
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You Oughtta Know doesn't exist because it was
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That would be me. You're referring to the conversation we had on the Expose "I Wish The Phone Would Ring" thread several months ago. Sorry that after all this time, it seems so hard for you to understand why and how many of us label a song "Single Version" or not. It's been explained more than once and by more than one person. We can all debate the subject, but ultimately, no one is going to change anyone's opinion.
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It has been the standard practice in the fifteen year history of this board (as well as in Pat's publications in what we now call the database appeared in book form; a total of about thirty years) that any reference to a "single version" is to the U.S. commercial single version unless otherwise specified.
There have definitely been instances (and this may well be one of them) in which a strong argument can be made that the commercial single version was not the "hit" version, especially in the 1990s ("Ice Ice Baby", "Feels Good", "2 Legit 2 Quit", and of course "You Outta Know").
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Paul C wrote:
| There have definitely been instances (and this may well be one of them) in which a strong argument can be made that the commercial single version was not the "hit" version, especially in the 1990s ("Ice Ice Baby", "Feels Good", "2 Legit 2 Quit", and of course "You Outta Know"). |
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Good points. Soul II Soul's "Back To Life (However Do You Want Me)" would fall under that category as well.
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Yes, for most of us, when we say "single version" we
mean the "commercial single version."
But I do always find it intriguing when there is a
promo-only "single version," and I often wonder if that
was the "intended" single version that didn't get used
for whatever reason.
I still wonder if the short version of Billy Joel's
"Tell Her About It" from his "Greatest Hits" album was
the "intended" single version, since its run time
matches the run time listed on the original 45.
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Loveland wrote:
I'm sorry but you're incorrect. Just because 100 guys behind a website say it is, it
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No, I'm actually not incorrect. The "single version" to us here on this forum means something very specific. Whether the "Single Version" on the promo CD was intended to be released or not is irrelevant. What matters to us forum members and database subscribers is what actually appeared on the US commercial single. That's what we call "45 version" or "single version," which may or may not be the "hit" version as others have pointed out. I already said that I agree the "hit" version of "All About Soul" is the shorter "Single Version" from the US promo CD single.
Hit version and single version to us are two different things.
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Does anyone know the edit points for this?
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I have the radio edit on a TM Century Golddisc -- by
1993, I suspect they had the official label edit. From a
quick listen on bad laptop speakers, I'm noticing two
edits.
The first edit removes the second verse and first half of
the second chorus, from roughly 1:28 to 2:51. The second
edit removes 8 bars from the edit, roughly 5:13 to 5:29.
When I get a chance, I'll analyze more carefully but in
case that doesn't happen soon, wanted to share what I
see.
Hope everyone's staying safe!
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I think it's also slightly sped up, but I could be wrong.
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I have the promo CD single of this and here are the
details from Discogs:
https://www.discogs.com/Billy-Joel-All-About-
Soul/release/4382333
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eric_a wrote:
When I get a chance, I'll analyze more carefully...
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Listening on headphones, this is more complex than I'd
initially realized. There are four cuts, including a
crossfade and one out-of-sequence edit. The times below
refer to the 5 segments from the original commercial CD
single. Here's what I'm hearing:
1. (0:00-1:27). This keeps the introduction, first verse
and chorus intact.
2. (~2:51-4:22). This crossfades in, reaching full
volume two bars before the "na-na" refrain. The 2:51
mark
is where this clip reaches full volume, but it fades in a
few beats earlier -- you can hear remnants of Billy's
voice
on "Soulllll," an octave up from the vocal on "Soullll"
from the previous clip fading out. Then, midway through
the next chorus (after "Who's standing today and who's
standing tomorrow") we jump back to the *previous*
chorus.
3. (2:32-2:47). This section comes from the second
chorus and starts "This life isn't fair".
4. (3:13-3:47). Cuts on the word "Soul".
5. (5:29-End). Cuts on the downbeat, after "yes it is",
and keeps the original fade.
As Loveland referenced, the
official
video appears to use the
same edit, if you want to hear it. (I guess Color Me
Badd
was busy when they shot the video.)
Finally, to Doug's point, I didn't detect any difference
between my commercial CD single and the radio edit, at
least on the Golddisc, but it's possible that both are
sped
up from the LP version.
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Thanks for the edit points. When I heard the album
version, I always suspected that the single edit was not
that straightforward. They really carved up and
rearranged this one!
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Why would they go back to the second chorus for an out of sequence edit?
I can see why it only made #29.
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eric_a wrote:
eric_a wrote:
When I get a chance, I'll analyze more carefully...
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As Loveland referenced, the
official
video appears to use the
same edit, if you want to hear it. (I guess Color Me
Badd
was busy when they shot the video.)
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For some reason, Billy's vocal during the final verse is his live vocal, followed
by going back to the studio version.
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FYI, both the "Single Version" (track 1 from the promo CD single) and the "Remix" (track 2 from the promo CD single) are sped up by about 1.9% or 2.0%, compared with the LP version. The song is not played with a click track, so the tempo varies over the course of the song.
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