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Todd Ireland
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Here's another 45/LP version distinction not mentioned in the 10th edition... The 45 version of Bruce Cockburn's "Wondering Where the Lions Are" runs 3:06 and is an edit of the LP version. The 45 version has not appeared on a domestic CD release to date.
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Stumbled across this thread and asking the age old question...does anyone know how to edit the LP version to match the 45?
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The 45 can indeed be edited down from the LP version.
My US commercial 45 (Millennium YB-11786) has a printed time of 3:06, and an actual time of about 3:03 (too crackly to tell where the fade out ends).
I have the LP version on:- Radio Daze: Pop Hits Of The '80s, Vol. 2 (Rhino, 1995, runs 3:40)
- Singers And songwriters: 1980-1982 (Time-Life, 2000; runs about 3:43; mastering appears to be based on Radio Daze but with a more natural-sounding EQ)
- Waiting For A Miracle: Singles 1970-1987 (Gold Castle 171 005-2, 1987; runs 3:40)
The Radio Daze CD is hard to find nowadays, but not nearly as hard to find as the other two, so I'll give you instructions based on the timings from Radio Daze:
Keep 0:00.0-0:57.4 of LP version.
Edit on the bass drum downbeat following the word "eternity".
Remove the 24 beats from 0:57.4-1:15.7.
Keep the 8 beats from 1:15.7-1:21.8.
Edit on the backup singers singing the word "lions".
Remove the 8 beats from 1:21.8-1:27.9.
Keep the 72 beats from 1:27.9-2:22.5.
Edit on the backup singers singing the word "lions".
Remove the 8 beats from 2:22.5-2:28.6.
Keep 2:28.6-3:41.8 (end) of LP version.
Your mixdown will run 3:11.3 (including outro silence), with edits at 0:57.4, 1:03.5 and 1:58.2.
I found a different edit running 3:24 on The A-List Disc 4, which is taken from vinyl. Not sure what the true source is, though, and I would bet a shiny new dime that there is a TM Century disc out there with the same edit, also taken from vinyl.
Fine song, by the way. I saw Bruce Cockburn in Tucson in 1994 when he was touring to promote the Listen For The Laugh album on Columbia. Man, can he play guitar! You'd never know it from some of his more mellow recordings, like "Wondering Where The Lions Are", for instance.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 03 February 2008 at 9:57pm
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Ron, thanks! Very easy edits.
Worked at an adult contemporary station that played this song in 1980, but never played it at any other station thereafter.
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Just bumping this thread up. Still haven't resolved if TM Century ever issued a 3:24 edit...
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Ron:
My guess is, no. Searching the current TM Studios database, they list the song as being 3:34. As Aaron has pointed out,
that usually is the suggested fade time/talk time for the DJ.
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The database currently shows all nine CDs with this song, including several single-artist Bruce Cockburn discs, as having "neither the 45 nor LP version".
Should these all be "LP version"? And if not, what is the difference between these and the LP version?
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