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edtop40
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my commercial 45 of air supply "making love out of nothing at all" issued as arista 9056 states a run time on the label as 4:29 but actually runs 4:54
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I hereby nominate Air Supply as the group who issued the MOST 45s with incorrect run times, in the history of Top 40 music. Nice job with all of these, Ed!
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The 45 version of this song is on the UK import disc that Todd eluded to in another Air Supply thread. Making Love...The Very Best Of Air Supply.
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jim....yes....i agree.....they are 11 for 11 with incorrect run times versus actual times....and...not even close on a few of them.....who was running the show at arista during this time......how could they be so careless in their attention to detail?
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I believe in this case the time was deliberately under reported, to make the single more palatable to radio. Jim Steinman (who wrote it) has a penchant for writing these long, epic dramas.
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I'd have to really check but I always believed that a couple of labels, RSO, Arista, would often not include the intro in the song's time.
Although I never actually tested that theory.
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I knew the existence of this LP version for the first time when I bought the Pat's book "8th edition". Because the japanese issue vinyl LP "Greatest Hits" includes the 45 version at that time. Good things of my life, this is the "Top 40 Music on Compact Disc"
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abagon wrote:
| I knew the existence of this LP version for the first time when I bought the Pat's book "8th edition". Because the japanese issue vinyl LP "Greatest Hits" includes the 45 version at that time. Good things of my life, this is the "Top 40 Music on Compact Disc" |
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You're making me feel old. I knew of the LP version because I heard my radio station play it when it came out in 1983. :)
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Someone commented earlier that Air Supply is the artist/group with the most WRONG printed run times. I don't think this was so much an Air Supply trend as it was an Arista trend. I'd bet Manilow, Manchester, etc. have many wrong times as well. But an interesting theory is presented in this post -- that the intro times are not included in the Arista listed times. It would be interesting to see if that theory holds. Maybe it's a trend that started in the '80s or late '70s, because in 1975 "Could It Be Magic" clearly indicated the intro time AND the remainder of the song's time.
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I think you're right about this, Gordon. Arista has the worst track record when it comes to getting their printed run times accurate. We've indeed seen this with a number of Arista artists, including Barry Manilow, Melissa Manchester, Alan Parsons Project, Ray Parker Jr., Thompson Twins, among others.
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I think Arista holds the record for the most 45s with the *printed time* of 3:58.
(Actual running time of 4-something)
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While it may have something to do with airplay, as mentioned above, I've looked into song licensing recently, and this may also be a reason. Licensing for a song up to 4:00 is done at a rate, today, of 9.1 cents per copy (the charge to the producer of the disc), whereas if it's longer than 4:00 the rate increases. I don't know what that means for the artists, but if it ties together, then perhaps it was a way for them to pay fewer royalties to the artists. Perhaps an insider (i.e. Gordon) can shed some light.
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Yes. Actually, the time in question, however, is the 5:00 mark. Anything over 5:00 gets a higher rate than the standard statutory rate of (currently) 9.1 cents per song. Luckily, I've had one cut that fit in this category -- it was 5:03, and I did receive a higher royalty rate. This rate, has nothing to do with artists royalties, though. It's what the songwriters and publishers get paid from the record labels.
If a 5:00+ song is wrongly listed as under 5 minutes, this may have been done by the record label to save on the amount of money they pay to the publishers/writers, but if the publisher/writer is savvy enough to realize their song is over 5 minutes, they would/should be able to get the higher rate, because the actual time is what counts here and not the printed time. In fact, when the licenses are drawn up between the label and publisher, the 45 hasn't been printed yet, so the incorrect listed time shouldn't even be a factor at that point.
Plus, my guess is that those shorter times were really done to get more radio stations to play their singles.
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Thanks for the info, Gordon. It probably is likely, then, that it had much to do with airplay. Well, it's probably so that programmers would even LISTEN to the song, because it would become quite obvious the actual length when they went to time it for airplay or put it on a cart.
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Nice picture sleeve, Ed! Thanks!
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I just noticed in the database that this song is designated by a "version". I always thought this song was just an early fade. So where is the edit in this 45? I'm surprised no one's ever brought this issue up. Is the edit somewhere in the outro?
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While on the subject of this 45, does anyone know if the non-LP B-Side "Late Again" has been issued on CD, either here or overseas?
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EdisonLite wrote:
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I do believe the edit is somewhere around the (4:06) mark.
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EdisonLite wrote:
| While on the subject of this 45, does anyone know if the non-LP B-Side "Late Again" has been issued on CD, either here or overseas? |
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The "Late Again (live version)" has been issued on CD in Japan. I possessed it temporarly.
The CD title is "It's Not Too Late - The Best Of Air Supply". The market prices in used CD sellers are under $10 in Japan now.
The track list: 9 songs from the "Greatest Hits" plus "Late again (live version)", "It's not too late ", "I'll never get enough of you".
"Making Love Out Of Nothing At All" is the "45 version" and another top 40 hits are all the "LP version".
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Thanks for the info.
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