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I've always been curious about the so-called 'censored' version of this song that edited 'crap' out.
If anyone is aware, does the lyric then become "all I learned in high school?"
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The lyric and music goes like this: "...all the (music) I learned in High School". In other words, they didn't splice the words together taking out "crap"...they placed music in the space that the word was in. It didn't sound natural.
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John and MPH711, I wonder if these "censored" versions were actually individual "in-house edits", done by the Top 40 stations themselves? Because in 1973, I distinctly remember hearing on my local AM Top 40 station, a "beep", similar to the one heard on Johnny Cash's "A Boy Named Sue", overlayed where the word "crap" was sung, during the opening line of "Kodachrome". This differs from the "music fill" that MPH711 heard. Another reason for my "possible-in-house-edit" thought is this: I own two different promo 45 copies of this song, and both sides of both copies leave the word "crap" totally intact. Perhaps Gary Mack, or another DJ who was spinnin' the hits on Top 40 radio in 1973, could provide addition insight to us with their personal recollections.
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I don't remember Columbia servicing an edited version of Kodachrome, but many Top 40 stations were uneasy about the line, especially during daytime hours. Some made their own edits.
I was PD at KLEO/Wichita then and we played the record as-is in all dayparts and never received a complaint. My instructions to the DJs, after alerting the station manager to the potential problem, was that we would not draw attention to the line or say the "c" word.
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I heard an "all I learned in high school" edit on KDWB, and thought that it drew even more attention to the edit because it totally disrupted the rhythm of the song.
It would have been less obtrusive to cut and splice in the c-word backwards, although listeners would have then wondered why they hadn't ever studied parc in high school.
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My initial suspicion as I wrote the start of this thread was that concerned stations made custom edits, but always good to ask if there was the possibility of a censored 45. Looks as though the custom edit was the answer I was seeking.
I can't even remember where I initially read of the edit being made.
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I was doing weekends at a small-market station (probably would be considered Hot AC today) in the summer of '73. We played the song unedited with few if any complaints. Like others, I've never seen an actual record company edit of this. Indeed, the only station I recall hearing an edit on was WBZ (and their automated Top 40 FM) in Boston...it was a clumsy splice that, as Yah Shure noted did nothing but draw attention to the fact that the song had been edited.
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I don't think I ever heard the song edited. WLS in Chicago played it in full.
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As far as I know all the edits were home made. TM Century Stereo Rock which was a reel to reel automation service used on many FM stations replaced the word crap rather effectively with a piece of music from later in the song. Whomever made that edit had some incredible ears, you could tell that the word was missing but it sounded like it was just mixed out. Other stations tried to use music from the song's intro to replace the word and that didn't sound very natural at all. I finally figured out where TM Century got that piece of music to make the edit but it wasn't obvious. Like I said, their editor had great ears.
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Considering the new #1 song in the U.S. this week is "I Kissed a Girl" by Katy Perry, it's ironic that at one time radio stations were concerned about playing the word "crap" in a song. Nowadays, Top 40 radio will freely play just about any crap regardless of how vulgar the lyrical content. Even though censoring the word "crap" may seem excessive by today's standards, I yearn for the days when radio stations exercised some basic standards of decency and good taste and took into consideration that young children are part of the listening audience, especially during the daytime.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| Nowadays, Top 40 radio will freely play just about any crap regardless of how vulgar the lyrical content. Even though censoring the word "crap" may seem excessive by today's standards, I yearn for the days when radio stations exercised some basic standards of decency and good taste and took into consideration that young children are part of the listening audience, especially during the daytime. |
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Let's not blame radio for this one...we're talking about a cultural change over the years, what's on the radio is merely a reflection of this. Broadcast radio is losing ground to other media that allows for more explicit expression...being seen as too "milk & cookies" will only accelerate this.
I don't appreciate vulgarity either, but let's not shoot the messenger.
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I completely agree that a rapid coarsening of the culture has taken place over the past couple of decades. By the same token, I also know that if I were a radio station owner or in a powerful music director position, I could not in clear conscience permit the lyrical vulgarity that regularly permeates the commercial/public airwaves these days. I have a buddy who was a program and music director up until very recently for a popular mainstream Top 40 station in Dayton, Ohio. He took great care to make the programming more family-friendly by eliminating some of the more sexually explicit hits from the playlist and, believe it or not, the ratings did well. I don't see radio stations as helpless victims here... They do have the power to exercise some self-restraint just like in the old days.
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Just saw a report on Radio & Records yesterday about a study done on youth culture and listening habits of 8-30 year olds.
Trends ran the gambit from the use of social networking sites such as MySpace and Facebook, and that the younger demos are gravitating toward what's being called "nu-retro." 80's and 90's pop culture being rediscovered, youth discovering groups like Nirvana and Aerosmith for the first time, in part due to games like Guitar Hero.
Usage of those surveyed from 21-30 year old and what they enjoyed about radio: 5% said they like learning about new music, 7% said they liked not knowing what the next song would be, 7% said they liked hearing old favorites, and only 1% said they liked hearing the top 10 songs. It's interesting to note that 22% enjoy getting their news (world/national/local) and current events from the radio, and 9% listen to NPR, with 20% tuned in to talk radio. Howard Stern on Sirius, however, only scored 1% of these listeners' time.
Other stats on what these young radio listeners thought was missing from radio programming. A whopping 52% said diversity in music, and 16% miss "funny and smart" personalities.
Interesting.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| Considering the new #1 song in the U.S. this week is "I Kissed a Girl" by Katy Perry, it's ironic that at one time radio stations were concerned about playing the word "crap" in a song. |
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Not to completely threadjack, but seeing as how I don't listen to CHR anymore, is that the same song as the Jill Sobule tune?
Also, I saw somewhere that "I Kissed A Girl" is BILLBOARD's 1,000th #1 single of the rock era (as to whether that dates back to "Rock around The Clock" or "Poor Little Fool" [the first HOT 100 #1] I'm not sure).
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Not the same song, Doug.
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Thank you, John. And what took you so long? :)
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I too, am disappointed by the "in your face" culture life has turned into. Sometimes I miss the days of the '70s and '80s when it seemed people were more polite to each other, and TV and radio were more "innocent".
Having said that, the radio station I usually listen to (WTSS Buffalo) is a "hot AC" station, and usually they'll play the censored versions of hit songs. For example, when they played "Rockstar" by Nickelback, just about every other word in the chorus was cut out. They must have been playing it from a promo CD single which took out all of the (possibly) offensive words. I guess they know they're audience!
Oh...and "I Kissed a Girl" is the 1000th No. 1 single since "Rock Around the Clock". (At least back then you could actually BUY a hit song on a single...)
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The edit version I heard here in Chicago was on WMAQ-FM which was a stereo automated rock station in the 70's. It was a "TM" station.
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Its a rather pathetic time we're living in "musically" when a song like that goes number one.
The times I see the exploration of cassette singles on this site it makes me think of how disposable music has become.
I can't imagine there will be much nostalgia for this potential one hit wonder.
Yes it is a novelty tune, but none the less thank goodness for all who are on this site who preserve the past.
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bwolfe wrote:
The times I see the exploration of cassette singles on this site it makes me think of how disposable music has become.
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Who knows how history will view the music of the early 21st century. Keep in mind that Elvis, the Rolling Stones and Madonna were also considered vulgar by many when they first hit the scene too. Wasn't it Mitch Miller who referred to rock & roll as a "disease"?
I don't know how old the rest of you are on this board, but I'm definitely outside the intended demo for most contemporary music.
As far as "disposable music" is concerned, certainly the medium used by today's generation (audio files, mostly mp3's) is disposable. To me, having a physical, not easily duplicated copy of a song is half the pleasure of collecting.
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