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According to abagon, the actual and printed commercial 45 run time of Mr. Mister's "Kyrie" is 4:10. The only reason I post this is because the vast majority of database CD appearances showing a "45 version" comment run :03 longer.
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How can this be?
"Kyrie" commercial single version ends abruptly cold with no reverb trail.
Is there a pitch difference??
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
How can this be?
"Kyrie" commercial single version ends abruptly cold with no reverb trail.
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I always wondered which version was on the commercial single. My 12" promo copy has the version with the cold ending on one side, and a slightly longer version with a fade ending on the other.
I seem to recall hearing both versions on the air.
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Were all 45's pressed on purple vinyl?
I have a picture sleeve along with the commercial copy pressed on purple vinyl.
Hyyker is correct.
That's how the 12 inch was pressed for airplay.
1985 was my first year in radio with "Broken Wings" and then "Kyrie".
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I have 2 US commercial 45s of the "Kyrie". One is the purple vinyl, the other is the black vinyl. Both 45s are the same actual running time (4:10).
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I couldn't pass up this reissue copy pressed on the wrong label stock.
Edited by Yah Shure on 10 September 2011 at 8:37pm
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That's a howl!
A co-worker remembers buying what he thought was "Elenore" by the Turtles only to have "You Showed Me" instead.
The wrong label was applied to "You Showed Me."
I'm sure that could be a long lengthy thread concerning pressing plant mistakes.
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Love the Grunt label!
The closest I've come to owning one of those is a Level 42 single ("Running In The Family", I think) that was mistakenly pressed on Mercury instead of Polydor. Saw it with my own eyes, and should have bought when I had the chance.
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i love the grunt records pressing! dj promo of "kyrie" (purple vinyl) has edited 45 version which trims the ethereal keyboard and vocals and starts on synth riff... after listening to the flip side (45 version; cold ending, 4:10) doesn't sound like the edited version can be created from 45 version because of ethereal keyboard overlap... time of edit and actual time of 45: 3:38
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crapfromthepast wrote:
| The closest I've come to owning one of those is a Level 42 single ("Running In The Family", I think) that was mistakenly pressed on Mercury instead of Polydor. Saw it with my own eyes, and should have bought when I had the chance. |
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I actually have one of those. IIRC, I found it in a used bin at Main Street Records in Northampton, Mass., about ten years ago. I don't think it dawned on me that it was on the wrong label until I got it home and went to file it with my other 45s by Level 42. I just pulled my copy out -- the text on the label mentions Polydor in two places (in the copyright notice and in the album credit), and it has a picture sleeve which correctly has the Polydor logo on it. My copy was pressed by RCA, and has a severe case of the label oxidation (or whatever it is) that often seems to plague RCA labels from this era.
I'm guessing that RCA also pressed the "Kyrie" 45 on Grunt. IINM, the only U.S. plant that RCA still pressed vinyl at in this era was their Indianapolis facility, and it ceased doing so right around this time. Maybe quality control was lax towards the end, or they were even doing this deliberately, to get rid of excess inventory of label blanks.
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bwolfe wrote:
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Probably the weirdest one I have is what appears to be a Bobby Goldsboro single on UA is actually "Never Never Gonna Give You Up" by Barry White.
Clearly UA & 20th Century used the same pressing plant.
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My laptop was out of commission when this topic first came up last fall, and I must've overlooked it while catching up. Tonight, while browsing the database, I noticed that only one version of this song is referenced. But my purple-vinyl promo 45 has both long and short versions included. One side has a non-described, listed & actual (4:10) version, which is the same as the stock 45 version. However, the other side of my promo 45, which states (Edited Version), has both a listed & actual time of (3:38), and also ends cold.
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Which side of the DJ 45 did your station play, Jim? The 4:10 side, or the 3:38 side?
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John, we played the (4:10) side.
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There are a handful of big hits from the '80s that I've always thought sounded like vinyl on all CDs. The 45 version of "Kyrie" is one of them. I don't hear any vinyl noise, per se, but the tonal quality sounds harsh especially toward the end. I have these same suspicions about "Rock Me Amadeus" (American Version) and "I Can't Wait" by Nu Shooz.
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Revisited this song on my compilations, and thought I'd share my findings.
The LP version (fade out) was the first to appear on CD, on the full Welcome To The Real World CD that I don't have, on Nipper's #1 Hits 1956-1986 that I don't have, and on the Realm compilation (from Columbia House) Gold And Platinum Vol. 3 (1987, where it may be a slightly early fade).
The first appearance of the cold ending on CD was most likely in the TM Century library, which I don't have. What I do have is the version used on The A List Disc 34 (1994), which runs 4:10. If I had to guess, I'd say it was a very clean transfer from vinyl, most likely from the promo 12". It runs about 89.8 BPM on The A List, in case anyone wants to compare it with the vinyl.
The first time the cold ending appeared on a commercially available CD was on Rhino's Billboard Top Hits - 1986 (1994, runs 4:13). It actually runs a little slower than The A List (about 89.1 BPM), but has a longer run time because the opening synthy loop doesn't fade in (as it does on The A List) - it just starts at full volume on Billboard. Sound quality is very nice, although it's mastered really loud and clips quite a bit.
Other CDs that use the same analog transfer as Billboard are Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties - 1986 (1994), Warner Special Products' 2-CD Sweet Love (1996), Time-Life's Modern Rock - 1986-1987 (1999, digitally exactly 2 dB quieter than Sounds Of The Eighties).
The cold-ending version on Rhino's 7-CD Like Omigod is excessively loud, and would be considered maximized. Avoid.
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I just listened to this track from the Best Of on Rhapsody and it runs 4:10. To me, it has signs of being a vinyl transfer. Is that possible?
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John, I've always suspected that this song (at least the 45 version) was
mastered from vinyl. It just doesn't sound clean to my ears, especially
toward the end.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
| The first appearance of the cold ending on CD was most likely in the TM Century library, which I don't have. What I do have is the version used on The A List Disc 34 (1994), which runs 4:10. If I had to guess, I'd say it was a very clean transfer from vinyl, most likely from the promo 12". It runs about 89.8 BPM on The A List, in case anyone wants to compare it with the vinyl. |
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What's interesting about the A List Disc (and I presume the TM Century disc, too) is that they used the LP version up until the very end. Then, they spliced on the cold ending from the vinyl. The way you can tell is that there is an ad lib of the word "night" on the LP version, whereas it is missing from the 45 version. The ad lib starts on the A List Version and then switches to the 45 ending.
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You bring up an interesting question, Aaron: is the same ad-lib also on the Billboard release, meaning we DON'T have the 45 single version on CD? Or is it accurate (even if it may be a vinyl drop)?
Incredible info as always, all of you! Thanks for sharing this information.
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