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Just listened to a dub of Ed's 45 for this song and it runs 3:55, which puts it in line with all the '45 length' entries in the database.
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Now the data base indicates the run time of (actual 45 time is (3:59) not (3:49) as stated on the record label.)
My stock commercial 45 also runs (3:55) as with ed's 45.
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Hmmm...I was just listening to this on Forever '80s, and I can detect slight ticks throughout the recording. They must have dubbed it from vinyl, which I had never noticed until now. The fidelity is really good, except for the ticks.
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Aaron -
Just re-listened to a few versions of the song, and it appears that the version on Cema Special Markets' 10 Best Series Greatest Hits (1992) has noise reduction applied - listen how the high-end disappears on the fadeout.
There a digitally identical clone of 10 Best on Time-Life's 2-CD Singers And Songwriters - 1979-1989. The same analog transfer seems to be used for Razor & Tie's 2-CD Forever '80s. These two CDs show the same NR artifacts as 10 Best.
Priority's Eighties Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 7 (1993) appears to be based on the same analog transfer as the above three, but has no NR artifacts! There must be a non-NR copy of the song floating around in the EMI vaults somewhere. The Priority disc is mastered too loud, however, and clips a lot.
I didn't detect any NR artifacts on Time-Life's 2-CD Echoes Of Love (1991; 45 length), Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties - The Early '80s Take Two (1996; differently EQ'd digital clone of Echoes) or Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk - Sweet Nothings (1997; differently EQ'd digital clone of Echoes).
The version on Dick Bartley On The Radio Vol. 2 is extremely compressed - avoid. The version on EMI's [UK] Time To Remember 1981 is also heavily compressed. The version on MCA's 3-CD Shades Of Love (1989) has the top half of its waveform truncated around -5 dB in both channels, but no NR.
None of these are perfect, but I'd vote for the 45 length versions on Echoes or the two differently EQ'd digital clones on Time-Life (both of those are mastered by Dennis Drake, and he has the golden touch with EQ.)
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Ron, I just listened to the fadeout, and the high end does disappear, like you mentioned. Vinyl dub with NR applied? There is also no audible tape hiss on the intro...just the clicks. If you wouldn't mind sending over your 45 length from what you feel is the best sounding source, that would be fantastic! What is your take on the clicks I'm hearing?
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I kinda doubt that it's from vinyl, since it's so similar
to the Cema 10 Best disc, and Cema has the whole
Capitol-EMI vaults at its disposal.
I really didn't hear any vinyl clicks or pops in Forever
'80s. Could it be read errors from your disc?
Happy to send out a dub from the T-L Body Talk disc
later tonight...
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Well, I was doubting that it came from vinyl, too, but when I put my good headphones on, I could clearly hear them. Definitely not read errors. I know what those sound like--vinyl ticks have a distinct sound. They aren't very loud, so you might not even notice if listening casually. Here are a few spots I'm hearing them:
2.9 sec (left ch)
4.0 sec (2 quickly in a row in right ch)
4.5 sec (both ch)
5.0 sec (left ch)
5.6 sec (left ch)
8.4 sec (both)
etc.
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aaronk
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crapfromthepast wrote:
Happy to send out a dub from the T-L Body Talk disc
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Thanks to Ron, I can confirm that disc has the correct 45 length. My vinyl actually runs about a 1/2 second longer, if you want to get really particular.
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Checked the Cema 10 Best Series greatest hits disc, and you're right! (I shouldn't have doubted you!) It is indeed a very clean transfer from vinyl! I had to struggle to hear the artifacts in the intro, and I couldn't hear any artifacts in the louder portions of the song.
It's ridiculous to me that a company-issued GH disc from 1992 would use a vinyl transfer for a big hit from 1981, but there it is.
Forever '80s sounds essentially the same as 10 Best, and is therefore also from vinyl.
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Thanks for double checking, Ron. I thought I might be going crazy!
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A very strange case. The song had already appeared on several CDs in its full LP length prior to Forever 80s...I wonder if those earlier appearances were also vinyl transfers? (I think I may have the old Capitol Greatest Hits CD stored somewhere, maybe I'll check that when I can find it).
Hard to understand why they would have used a vinyl transfer. Perhaps only the 45 masters could be located at that time and the preference was to use the full LP length, or even the 45 master of "Angel" was missing. Note that the "Juice" LP was not issued on CD until 1997.
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Still baffled that a vinyl transfer made it onto so many CDs...
Just got a copy of Greatest Hits (And More) (1987), and it's got the same vinyl transfer as the others, only with no noise reduction.
Priority's Eighties Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 7 (1993) sounds very close to GHaM, with no NR, but is too loud and clips a lot.
It seems that the noise reduction was first applied to 10 Best Series (1992). Razor & Tie's 2-CD Forever '80s (1994) sounds very close to 10 Best, and Time-Life's Singers And Songwriters - 1979-1989 (Vol. 13 of the series, 2001) is digitally identical to 10 Best. All have noise reduction.
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Best Digital version is the rare DCC CD of the "Juice" album!
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