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I was wondering if somebody here could help me with something. It is easy to use Pat's database to find Top 40 hits that are not on domestic CD. However, I am trying to composite a list of as many songs as possible that are difficult to obtain or have no availability whatsoever. These may have only been on one release domestically, or on a hard-to-find import, or had no release at all. Here are a few examples of what I mean:
1. the mono 45 version of "Cherish" by The Association
2. the 45 version of "This Could Be the Night" by Loverboy
3. any of the Gene Cotton Top 40 hits
4. any of the Randy Meisner Top 40 hits
5. "Bruce" by Rick Springfield
And the list goes on and on on.
There are a slew of these from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s.
Does anyone have a list such as this?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Off the top of my head I can list these that have not appeared on CD domestically yet (in their correct hit 45 form):
"D.O.A." - Bloodrock
"Funky Worm" - Ohio Players
"Don't You Worry 'Bout A Thing" - Stevie Wonder
"Thinking Of You" - Loggins & Messina
"Dynomite, Pt. 1" - Bazuka
"Boys Are Back In Town" - Thin Lizzy
"Sunny Days" - Lighthouse
"As The Years Go By" - Mashmakhan
"Prisoner Of Your Love" - Player
"Devil's Gun" - C.J. & Co.
"Haven't Stop Dancin' Yet" - Gonzalez
"A Song Of Joy" - Miguel Rios
Plus this one is practically impossible to find on CD:
"Boys Do Fall In Love" - Robin Gibb
On iTunes some of these can be found (but it's the LP version).
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Are you referring to missing 45 versions that cannot be recreated by editing or fading the LP version? There are many songs (too many to list) that have not had their 45 edits issued on CD, but the LP version is readily available for making your own 45 version with audio editing software.
The tougher nuts are those 45 versions that cannot be recreated from the LP version, either due to mix differences, different performance, or in rare cases where the 45 version is longer than the LP version. Some of the ones that come to mind are:
"The Way We Were" - Barbra Streisand (different performance)
"One Step Closer To You" - Gavin Christopher (different mix)
"Borderline" - Madonna (different mix; available on extremely rare Japanese CD singles box)
"Midnight Cowboy" - Ferrante & Teicher
"Games People Play" - Joe South
"Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" - Bob Seger
"Hair" - Cowsills
"There's The Girl" - Heart
"Dreamboat Annie" - Heart (opening guitar solo is unique to the 45)
"Fallin' In Love" - Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds (45 is longer)
"Give Me The Night" - George Benson
"Sometimes A Fantasy" - Billy Joel (45 is longer)
"Movin' Out" - Billy Joel
"Keeping The Faith" - Billy Joel
"America" - Neil Diamond
"Gypsy" - Fleetwood Mac (contains a brief section before the coda with vocal ad-libs that aren't on the LP)
"(Oh) Pretty Woman" - Van Halen
"I'll Wait" - Van Halen
"Dreams" - Van Halen
"Can't Shake Loose" - Agnetha Faltskog
"Against The Wind" - Bob Seger (one edit is done with a remixed segue that cannot be recreated from the LP)
"I Am A Rock" - Simon & Garfunkel
The list goes on...
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Is "Witch Queen of New Orleans" by Redbone available anywhere in stereo? It's on one of the "Have A Nice Day" CDs in mono, and there's a very different mix on a CD called "Rock Artifacts" but that's it afaik. My promo single is mono/stereo, but I think stock ones were mono.
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Santi and Roscoe,
Thanks for your suggestions, and I am definitely looking for examples such as these, but I can tell I confused you too. Your songs definitely fit my criteria, but what I was trying to get at was this:
In Pat's database, we can easily see which hits have not been released on CD by entering "N" on the search page when asked if we are looking for songs that haven't been released on CD.
I am trying to get a vast list of songs like you both suggested, but I am also looking for songs that have been released and are hard to find. That is why I mentioned Gene Cotton. If you don't have the one CD that all of his hits are on, you miss them all. The Loverboy example may have been a bad one because the LP version of "This Could Be the Night" is readily available. However, the 45 version is not available. And "Cherish" by The Association is only available in mono on a Dick Bartley CD. If you don't have that one, you probably don't have the mono version. So I am looking for a hodgepodge of your suggestions, but mainly the criteria I describe. Hard-to-find hits on hard-to-find CDs.
To make it simple, I am trying to compile a vast list, that I may have to digitize with needle drops because getting them on CD may be very difficult. Even if they are hits that have only been released on a CD or two in any particular version.
I hope this explains it better.
Any help from anybody is appreciated.
Thanks!
Mike C.
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I see what you're saying, Mike, but I'm not quite sure what the purpose of such a list would be. You'll quickly find out whether or not a title is rare when you start looking for it, won't you?
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There is a stereo version of "Witch Queen" on a Sony CD where half the disc are Redbone tunes, the other half Wet Willie songs.
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maciav wrote:
I am trying to get a vast list of songs like you both suggested, but I am also looking for songs that have been released and are hard to find. That is why I mentioned Gene Cotton. If you don't have the one CD that all of his hits are on, you miss them all. The Loverboy example may have been a bad one because the LP version of "This Could Be the Night" is readily available. However, the 45 version is not available. And "Cherish" by The Association is only available in mono on a Dick Bartley CD. If you don't have that one, you probably don't have the mono version. So I am looking for a hodgepodge of your suggestions, but mainly the criteria I describe. Hard-to-find hits on hard-to-find CDs.
To make it simple, I am trying to compile a vast list, that I may have to digitize with needle drops because getting them on CD may be very difficult. Even if they are hits that have only been released on a CD or two in any particular version.
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Lots of discs are out of print these days while still in Pat's database. An example of what you explained above is the 45 version of "Lonesome Loser" by Little River Band has appeared just once on a domestic CD.
A few more where a proper 45 hit version has not shown up on a domestic release yet:
"Carry On Wayward Son" - Kansas
"Carolina In The Pines" - Michael Murphey
"Money" - Pink Floyd
"Deacon Blues" - Steely Dan
"Evil Woman" - Electric Light Orchestra
"Telephone Line" - Electric Light Orchestra
"Lady" - Little River Band
"Autobahn" - Kraftwerk
"Woodstock" - Matthews' Southern Comfort
"I Need A Lover" - John Cougar (the UK single version is out on CD, but not the US single)
"House Of The Rising Sun" - Frijid Pink
BTW, the Animals' original US single version of "House Of The Rising Sun" is also not on CD yet.
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And the US Animals "House Of The Rising Sun" 45 version is
no great loss on CD. That disc was severely hacked up and
even die hard Top 40 stations often played the LP cut. One
of the worst single edits of all time.
Edited by KentT on 28 March 2010 at 11:01am
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Whether or not anyone considers it a "severely hacked-up" edit, the original edited MGM LP/45 version is what was played on top-40 radio in 1964. Because the unedited version of "House Of The Rising Sun" wasn't even available in the U.S. until its 1966 appearance on the MGM LP The Best Of The Animals, the only U.S. top-40 airplay it could have received at the time it was a hit would have been via import.
Since the edit was the top-40 hit, it stands to reason that there are those of us on a board dealing with top-40 music on CD who might possibly be interested in its availability in that format, regardless of whether or not we've done our own replications.
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Re: Ferrante & Teicher/ Midnight Cowboy. What's the
difference between the LP and 45 versions? I am curious!
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Yah Shure wrote:
Whether or not anyone considers it a "severely hacked-up" edit, the original edited MGM LP/45 version is what was played on top-40 radio in 1964. Because the unedited version of "House Of The Rising Sun" wasn't even available in the U.S. until its 1966 appearance on the MGM LP The Best Of The Animals, the only U.S. top-40 airplay it could have received at the time it was a hit would have been via import.
Since the edit was the top-40 hit, it stands to reason that there are those of us on a board dealing with top-40 music on CD who might possibly be interested in its availability in that format, regardless of whether or not we've done our own replications. |
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Actually, the full version appeared months earlier (late 1965) on an MGM VA collection: E/SE-4306 - Mickie Most Presents British Go-Go - Various Artists [1965] Wonderful World - Herman's Hermits (E)/Don't Go - Symbols (E)/I Will Never Turn My Back On You - Cherokees (E)/Bring It On Home To Me - Animals (E)/You Came Along - Moquettes (E)//The House Of The Rising Sun - Animals (E)/Right String Baby, But The Wrong Yo-Yo - Moquettes (E)/Mrs. Brown You've Got A Lovely Daughter - Herman's Hermits (E)/Rejected - Cherokees (E)/You Are My Girl - Symbols (E) [info courtesy Both Sides Now].
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Gary, thanks for the correction; didn't know it came out in late '65, which was still a full year after the song had become a hit.
I actually have a mono copy of that album, as well as a rechanneled stereo copy of its budget-label reissue on Metro 577, which was re-titled Mickie Most Presents English In-Groups. One has to wonder just how "in" those "in-groups" still are, after having been downgraded to budget-label status.
EDIT: Forgot to add that the front covers of both the MGM and Metro LPs state "House Of The Rising Sun (Original Uncut Version)."
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Yah Shure wrote:
I actually have a mono copy[/URL] of that album, as well as a of its budget-label reissue on Metro 577, which was re-titled Mickie Most Presents English In-Groups. One has to wonder just how "in" those "in-groups" still are, after having been downgraded to budget-label status.
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I've got the mono version of that one myself (on ugh, styrene...can you say cueburn?). I don't know how "in" either of those groups were, but both the Animals & HH were at their hitmaking peak in late '65/early '66, not to mention about the only consistent Top 40 hitmakers the label had at the time.
Yah Shure wrote:
Since the edit was the top-40 hit, it stands to reason that there are those of us on a board dealing with top-40 music on CD who might possibly be interested in its availability in that format, regardless of whether or not we've done our own replications. |
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Indeed, the likelihood of the 4:25 version of HOTRS having gotten any airplay in 1964 is slim to none. I never really considered the single edit to be a "hack job", I'm not sure how else you could have gotten the song to a radio-friendly length.
I'll even go so far as to venture a guess that any airplay of the long version in the 60s/early 70s (other than on FM "progressive" rock stations) was due more to the station's original 45 being worn out than for artistic reasons.
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Unless I am missing something, I don't see "Boys Do Fall In Love" by Robin Gibb in the database at all and according to Billboard, it made the top 40. Is there a reason for this?
What disc can it be found on?
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I can only answer your first question. It must have done poorly in the other trade magazines like Cashbox and thus averaged out below #40, which is the only reason Pat wouldn't include a Billboard top 40 hit in his database.
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Fetta wrote:
What disc can it be found on?
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All you need to do is run a search in this forum for the song title and you will find an entire thread for "Boys Do Fall In Love."
Edited by Santi Paradoa on 29 March 2010 at 9:51am
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Hykker wrote:
Yah Shure wrote:
I actually have a mono copy[/URL] of that album, as well as a of its budget-label reissue on Metro 577, which was re-titled Mickie Most Presents English In-Groups. One has to wonder just how "in" those "in-groups" still are, after having been downgraded to budget-label status.
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I've got the mono version of that one myself (on ugh, styrene...can you say cueburn?). I don't know how "in" either of those groups were, but both the Animals & HH were at their hitmaking peak in late '65/early '66, not to mention about the only consistent Top 40 hitmakers the label had at the time.
Yah Shure wrote:
Since the edit was the top-40 hit, it stands to reason that there are those of us on a board dealing with top-40 music on CD who might possibly be interested in its availability in that format, regardless of whether or not we've done our own replications. |
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Indeed, the likelihood of the 4:25 version of HOTRS having gotten any airplay in 1964 is slim to none. I never really considered the single edit to be a "hack job", I'm not sure how else you could have gotten the song to a radio-friendly length.
I'll even go so far as to venture a guess that any airplay of the long version in the 60s/early 70s (other than on FM "progressive" rock stations) was due more to the station's original 45 being worn out than for artistic reasons.
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I graduated from high school in 1964 and my best friend and I drove from Denver to California to enjoy a couple weeks before heading off to college. We first heard HOTRS in Los Angeles and one or both of the Top 40 stations played the long version. Upon our return, Denver's KIMN (and possibly KBTR) were playing the short 45 - were we disappointed!
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<"Dreamboat Annie" - Heart (opening guitar solo is unique to the 45) >
Isn't the opening guitar solo simply from another song on the Heart album, and therefore the single version can be created from CD (all from portions on the same album)?
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LP version has strings from the opening on, 45 version does not (strings come in later). There was a thread about this a while back. I'll see if I can find it.
Edited by sriv94 on 29 March 2010 at 7:37pm
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