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Brian W.
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Posted: 08 April 2010 at 11:27am \| IP Logged

According to Sundazed, anyway. The conventional wisdom has long been that Dunhill junked all their mono master tapes in the 1970s.

But Sundazed is currently remastering the mono LP of "If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears," on vinyl only, as announced on their Facebook page. In response to a poster commenting that he thought the mono master was long gone, they replied:

"The master tape is NOT long gone... This was recently recovered from a U.K. vault... and we have first crack at it. Say 'hooray'..."

Hopefully someone will issue this on CD...

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Posted: 08 April 2010 at 5:17pm \| IP Logged

Most likely a UK dub of the original mono tape. Second generation and should be excellent quality. I plan on buying that LP when it's issued.

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Posted: 08 April 2010 at 5:50pm \| IP Logged

Thought this was interesting: someone over at the Steve Hoffman board who does audio restoration in the UK had this to say about the news:

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Universal have recently been trawling through UK & european archives to replace tapes lost in the fire a couple of years back - this was probably found during that trawl.

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Posted: 09 April 2010 at 5:26am \| IP Logged

So does this mean that other Dunhill mono masters may also exist (3 Dog Night, Grass Roots, Steppenwolf)? That would indeed be good news!

I'm curious why the M&P album is being reissued only on vinyl. I for one would love to have these on CD from a tape source.

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Posted: 09 April 2010 at 6:32am \| IP Logged

Sundazed should consider releasing these on both LP & CD. I'd be surprised if the LP would out sell the CD.

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Posted: 09 April 2010 at 10:52am \| IP Logged

Santi Paradoa wrote:

Sundazed should consider releasing these on both LP & CD. I'd be surprised if the LP would out sell the CD.

I'm quite sure Sundazed only has the rights to release it on vinyl. Since many record companies don't do their own vinyl pressings, they'll allow other people to license albums, but only for vinyl.

I have made sure that the superb UK label Now Sounds knows about the mono master. They recently released outstanding remasters of the first two Cowsills albums, complete with bonus tracks of the mono singles sides. ("Indian Lake" and its flip side appear in mono for the first time on CD.)

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Posted: 09 April 2010 at 11:51am \| IP Logged

Only the US company junked their mono tapes....the foreign vaults are probably full of presumed lost mono masters....

As for Sundazed only issuing the album on vinyl, they've been doing a LOT of vinyl-only releases lately, and appear to be trending towards becoming a vinyl-only reissue company. I have two of their recent vinyl-only reissues, the Blues Project - Projections lp and the first lp by the Uniques....both nicely done however the covers are a bit flimsy (the blues project cover already has several small tears in it). I do agree it would be nice to have these reissues on cd too, however.

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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 6:18am \| IP Logged

Licensing is easier to get for vinyl presently. And that's where the growth market is.

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Posted: 12 April 2010 at 11:26am \| IP Logged

More interesting posts from BSN:

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The good news is that Universal hired Bill Inglot among others over a year ago to copy any & all Universal masters found in UK vaults. Bill has copied thousands of Lp masters already.

And another poster added:

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It's not just Bill Ingot. Around 15 engineers have been copying tapes over a 14 week period starting in February to rescue as much material as possible.

So in theory providing everything that was lost in the fire was issued in Europe very soon all the archive should be restored (of course no one will say exactly what was lost!)

I was invited to work on the project but couldn't extracate myself from current commitments so I know it's not just hearsay.

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Posted: 12 April 2010 at 12:03pm \| IP Logged

KentT wrote:

Licensing is easier to get for vinyl presently. And that's where the growth market is.

I'd stop well short of saying that vinyl is a "growth market". It's a very small niche market, and that's it.

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Posted: 12 April 2010 at 2:31pm \| IP Logged

Hykker wrote:

I'd stop well short of saying that vinyl is a "growth market". It's a very small niche market, and that's it.

I won't argue your point. But I had an interesting vinyl experience over the weekend:

My neighborhood record store (Cheapo Records in St. Paul, near Macalester College) was a bustling place back in the '90s, with separate CD and classical CD shops bookending a small strip mall on one side of the street, and a large vinyl location facing them from the other side. A 2000 fire wiped out the strip mall, and CDs displaced all of the vinyl in the remaining space across the street. The strip mall was quickly rebuilt, but no vinyl returned until a very small space was eventually leased in the new mall, a couple doors down from the rebuilt CD digs. Classical CDs remained in the older space across the street.

A couple years ago, the small vinyl store was closed, with some the inventory added to the CD store. While out for a walk Saturday night, I decided to stop in and have a look around. There were still lots of new and used CDs. The classical titles, which had migrated a few years earlier from across the street, were segregated in their own area. But a newish coffee bar within the store had already been permanently closed and the vinyl was gone, with a good chunk of its space now filled with used DVDs.

I was about to leave, when I asked the clerk if they'd dumped the vinyl. "No," he said. "It's across the street now. There's more room over there." It was just like the pre-fire setup, with nearly as many LPs as in the old days, and lots of new releases. The only disappointment was that the 45 selection was miniscule compared to the old days. But I left with a pristine Columbia Hall Of Fame 45 "Maybe I'm Amazed" reissue for a couple of bucks. And a few other NM late-'60s new old stock goodies will probably be reeling me in before the day is through. :)

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Posted: 12 April 2010 at 7:00pm \| IP Logged

Hykker wrote:

I'd stop well short of saying that vinyl is a "growth market". It's a very small niche market, and that's it.

But it's undeniable that it's a growing niche market.

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Posted: 12 April 2010 at 8:39pm \| IP Logged

Brian W. wrote:

Santi Paradoa wrote:

Sundazed should consider releasing these on both LP & CD. I'd be surprised if the LP would out sell the CD.

Wow, I didn't realize these Cowsills albums have finally been issued on CD. "Indian Lake" is one of MANY songs I've been waiting to see surface in mono!

And I applaud the fantastic news about Mamas & Papas mono masters being uncovered in Europe. The prospect of hearing the mono 45 mixes on CD from pristine master tapes rather than the usual vinyl dubs would be a welcome treat!

Edited by Todd Ireland on 12 April 2010 at 8:40pm

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Posted: 12 April 2010 at 8:47pm \| IP Logged

True that, but it doesn't sound like these tapes are being utilized to create CDs as of now.

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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 11:39pm \| IP Logged

It's comin' out on CD from Sundazed next month!!!

http://www.sundazed.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=20 66

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Posted: 21 October 2011 at 11:03pm \| IP Logged

Got the CD. Good sound, but sadly "Monday Monday" fades out a good five seconds before the 45 does, right before the line "it's here to stay." It seems to fade out to hiss, so it sounds like it was that way on the original album master. (Everyone is presuming this British tape that Sundzed used is the 1966 British dub of the US album master.)

Maybe Roscoe can tell us if the US mono vinyl LP also has "Monday Monday" running 3:03 instead of 3:09.

Edited by Brian W. on 21 October 2011 at 11:03pm

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Posted: 22 October 2011 at 4:01am \| IP Logged

Brian, how about "California Dreaming"?

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Posted: 22 October 2011 at 10:26am \| IP Logged

davidclark wrote:

Brian, how about "California Dreaming"?

Cold ending... there is no fade on that song.

Edited by Brian W. on 22 October 2011 at 10:27am

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Brian W. wrote:

Both my original Dunhill and Sundazed mono LPs have "Monday Monday" fading at 3:03. Apparently, the mono LP, mono 45 and stereo LP versions all have different lengths.

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Roscoe wrote:

Brian W. wrote:

Both my original Dunhill and Sundazed mono LPs have "Monday Monday" fading at 3:03. Apparently, the mono LP, mono 45 and stereo LP versions all have different lengths.

Thanks, Roscoe! As I suspected. So the Sundazed CD has the correct mono LP length.

Pat, if you add the Sundazed CD to the database, you might want to add a note that the mono LP version runs 3:03.

Edited by Brian W. on 22 October 2011 at 12:28pm

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