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My commercial 45, confirmed as King 6122, has a listed time of (3:50), but an actual time of (3:44). My 45 is vinyl, with deadwax of "K-45-12451-X3", followed by "UK5M-2768". The 4 various "Part 1" CD versions currently found in the database have run times ranging from (3:42) to (3:49).
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What's also somewhat confusing about the CD run times is the James Brown The Singles Volume 4: 1966-1967 disc set (Hip-O Select/Polydor B0009472) contains, according to the database, the "original mix" running 3:49 and the "remixed version" running 3:44. None of the other database CD appearances of this song contain these comments. Even though the "remixed version" runs closer to Jim's reported commercial 45 run time, are we to assume that the "original mix" is the one on the 45?
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Todd, this case is not the "typical", after-the-fact remix situation. During my guest reviews forwarded to Pat, back when these Hip-O Select volumes first came out, I included the full "liner note stories" explaining these multiple mix occurrances to Pat, and then left it to him as to how to sort it out/enter it in to the database. You are still confused, though, so I will go ahead and provide more details on it. The liner notes said Brown was on tour in Europe when this 45 was first released. When he got back and heard it on radio, he determined that it just didn't sound "hot" enough, and wanted an "improved 45" done on it. King engineers then quickly re-mixed/re-mastered the track, lifting the presence of the band in relation to JB's vocals, and re-sent these 45s to radio, with a note inside the 45 sleeve, on his letterhead, telling them to "stop playing that old version, and start playing this new, fixed version." New commercial 45s with this remix were also released. FYI, this second version/re-mix ended up fading :07 earlier than the initial 45 version did. So, both of these mixes are, in fact, legitimate 1967 commercial 45 versions, depending on which one you received from the store when you bought it. For us completionists out there, this makes it more complicated, for sure. JB also demanded "on-the-fly, corrected-45-versions" for several other of his database songs as well, so be aware of this, going forward. I'd imagine Pat also describes these other instances in a similar fashion as he did this one. To me, it's near-impossible for Pat to be able to fully explain such subtleties via a database comment, but he did his best, and I appreciate it. Luckily, Pat gave us a message board to be able to provide even more details when needed! Just be aware that JB basically got whatever he wanted done at King done (or re-done) during these times, and he often took advantage of this unusual level of artist control via this, "more-than-one-current-45-version-existed" solution of his.
Edited by jimct on 22 April 2010 at 11:01am
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Thanks, Jim. I very much appreciate the clarification and Pat's attempt to distinguish the two mixes of "Get It Together (Part 1).
If I might make a suggestion to help lessen any confusion for database subscribers, perhaps a general comment could be noted under the song title such as:
There were two commercial 45 pressings of this song -- the original mix running 3:49 and a remixed version with a run time of 3:44, not 3:50 as stated on the record label.)
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my commercial 45 for the james brown song 'get it together
(Part 1)' issued as king 6122 states the run time
on the label as 3:50 but only runs 3:42.....if you fade the
full 8:57 version for 0:07 from 3:35 to 3:42 you
can effectively re-create the true vinyl 45 version....the
run out groove etching is 'UK5M-2768-1 K-45-12451-R'...i
know jim mentioned that there is a remix 45, but i cannot
hear any differences between my vinyl 45 and the 8:57 cd
version.....can anyone point out where the remix might be?
Edited by edtop40 on 07 January 2013 at 6:19pm
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Ed, my good friend, many times, one of our "world-class sonic geniuses"
identifies a worth-reporting, subtle mix difference that they've picked up
on. Only to have you declare, later in the same thread, that you can not
hear these differences at all. Time after time after time. Ed, with all due
respect, I just don't think that you're very good at being able to hear
subtle song differences. (And I've positive that I'm *far* worse than you
are at it!) My experience has been that these perceptive folks, with "ears
like God", do turn out to be right 99%+ of the time. Their reports are just
so darn specific and precise, as to what they hear, and when they hear it,
that they deserve the benefit of the doubt, unless overwhelming contrary
evidence later surfaces. I'm in awe of both them and their aural skills,
truth be told. Ed, I know you're always quite anxious, personally, to cross
another song off your "Ed stock 45 v done list." And that these identified
minor differences by others, perhaps annoyingly, keep a song "still
open/undone" for you. Therefore, it's kind of in your *own* project's best
interests to discredit their findings. But are you being accurate? Hmmm.....
I think all you really achieve, by repeatedly making this same, vague "I
don't hear a difference" comment, is to undermine some very, very good
work done by other board experts. I still trust their findings - even if you
don't. Just my perspective, buddy - it's your life! :)
Edited by jimct on 08 January 2013 at 12:48am
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