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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 8:42pm | IP Logged Quote Fetta
I just noticed something very interesting about "Higher and Higher" by Jackie Wilson. I have this on 3 different CD's... Very Best Of Jackie Wilson (Rhino), Time Life: Classic Rock 1967 and The Brunswick Years, Vol. 1.

On all of these CD's Jackie is singing coming out of the instrumental break at around the 1:53 mark in the song..... However, this is not the case on the original 45. See below you tube link for the original 45 version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvB3xKsiyvA&feature=related

Has anyone else noticed this?


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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 11:06pm | IP Logged Quote The Hits Man
Another mono single mix i'll have to find!

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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 4:45am | IP Logged Quote Fetta
Is this a mono vs. stereo situation? The reason that I ask is because according to the database, the Time Life Classic Rock appearance of "Higher and Higher" is mono and that too has the vocal coming out of the instrumental break?
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Posted: 08 April 2011 at 11:08pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
You mean where he sings "ooooh ooh ooh ooh" at the tail end of the instrumental break, Fetta, right before he launches into "I'm so glad"?

Edited by Brian W. on 08 April 2011 at 11:09pm
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Posted: 09 April 2011 at 4:49am | IP Logged Quote davidclark
yes, that's the spot, Brian. assuming that YouTube video captures the sound
from an original 45 then we indeed have yet another mono 45 mix to track
down.

Edited by davidclark on 09 April 2011 at 4:52am

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Posted: 09 April 2011 at 12:22pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
Well, Pat now lists one "45 version" for this song, though he lists it as "E" instead of "M." But sometimes "E" just means mono that's not dead-center.
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Posted: 10 April 2011 at 3:36pm | IP Logged Quote TomDiehl1
The 45 in the video is a gold label reissue on Brunswick however I believe it used the original mono mix (I no longer have my gold label reissue to compare to my promo 45).

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Database still shows no mono 45 versions on CD. Has anybody found it on an import CD?
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I do not know of a mono version on CD anywhere. And the
mono version on 45 RPM single is not easy to find.

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Dance Sixties (JCI) is what I use, and I play the song regularly at weddings. I was able to get a nice sounding mono version by using the electronically channeled stereo version on that CD.

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Posted: 05 August 2020 at 8:52am | IP Logged Quote smallworld
The version on this compilation has no "ooooooh" towards the tail end of the instrumental break, before Jackie launches into "I'm so glad...". I presume it's the 45 version.



The Spirit Of The 60s: 1969 Still Swinging

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aaronk wrote:
Dance Sixties (JCI) is what I use, and I play the song regularly at weddings. I was able to get a nice sounding mono version by using the electronically channeled stereo version on that CD.


Clever thinking Aaron! It sounds great.

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aaronk wrote:
Dance Sixties (JCI) is what I use, and I play the song regularly at weddings. I was able to get a nice sounding mono version by using the electronically channeled stereo
version on that CD.


Hmmm, I'm still scratching my head, trying to understand what that means.

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smallworld wrote:
The version on this compilation has no "ooooooh" towards the tail end of the instrumental break, before Jackie launches into "I'm so glad...". I presume it's the 45
version.
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I have this set. It is a UK release.

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AdvprosD wrote:
aaronk wrote:
Dance Sixties (JCI) is
what I use, and I play the song regularly at weddings. I
was able to get a nice sounding mono version by using the
electronically channeled stereo
version on that CD.


Hmmm, I'm still scratching my head, trying to understand
what that means.


I think Aaron meant that summing the Left and Right
channels of the re-channeled stereo mix found on JCI's
Dance Sixties CD will result in the mono mix.

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Posted: 29 April 2022 at 8:00pm | IP Logged Quote KentT
It doesn't. For the mono 45, you need a Brunswick mono 45,
which sounds so much better. I own that 45.

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Posted: 29 April 2022 at 10:05pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
I might not have summed the channels 50/50, but I was able to extract a nice sounding mono version using that CD.

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AdvprosD wrote:
aaronk wrote:
Dance Sixties (JCI) is
what I use, and I play the song regularly at weddings. I
was able to get a nice sounding mono version by using the
electronically channeled stereo
version on that CD.


Hmmm, I'm still scratching my head, trying to understand
what that means.


If something is fake stereo (created back in the day, not
the more recent DES), it usually is just mono with a sort
of "spread" to it, and sometimes it's possible to create
mono from this either by folding the channels, or using
only one channel, or running it through software that
separates out only the slight differences between the
right and left channels and keeps everything that's the
same.
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So, is it in fact "electronically
rechanneled" i.e. "fake" stereo, or
simply the mono mix indifferently
transferred/mastered in stereo i.e.
with drift/imbalance between
channels due to a fulltrack machine
not being used, and just left as
is, the engineer electing neither
to sum/fold nor to pick one channel
and discard the other?
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Posted: 02 May 2022 at 1:14pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
There's a slight EQ difference between the L/R channels, and it gets "swishy" when summed to mono, so something is slightly out of phase. I can say for sure I took one of the channels only when I created my mono version. This actually sounds more like an improper transfer of the tape on a stereo machine rather than something that has been intentionally doctored into fake stereo.

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