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Some pressings of the 45 were on grey vinyl; can't remember if was promo 45s only, or if there were some commercial grey ones. Regardless, here are instructions for recreating the 45 edit from the LP version.
I'm basing my edit on the 45 version that's on Columbia's Heart Of Rock (1988) CD, where it runs 4:30. There's a digitally identical clone of Heart Of Rock on Time-Life's Gold And Platinum Vol. 5 (1997), which also runs 4:30. Either of these sounds just fine, and should be your first choice for the 45 edit.
Confusingly, there's also a digital clone on Realm's record-club-only Gold And Platinum Vol. 4 (1988), which is digitally exactly 0.6 dB quieter than Heart Of Rock but with an early fade from 3:27 to 3:48; avoid the Realm disc for this song. It looks like the 45 edit is also available on Arista The First 20 Years (1997), but I didn't check that disc.
The LP version is available on Time-Life's Rolling Stone 1986-1992 (1993), where it runs 5:44. This disc is my first choice for the LP version.
The LP version is also on Time-Life's 2-CD Guitar Rock Monsters (1992), but it has its left and right channels reversed. Avoid if possible. It looks like TM Century used this disc as its source for GoldDisc 520, which also has its left and right channels reversed. Oops. Avoid these discs for this song.
So, this is how to replicate the 45 edit, based on the timings for Rolling Stone 1986-1992:
Keep 0:00 to 1:54.7.
There's a 4-beat drum fill and then a downbeat before the line "It's a lesson"; edit on that downbeat immediately following the drum fill.
Remove the 192 beats from 1:54.7 to 3:06.9. The edit should pick up on the downbeat immediately following the short 2-beat drum fill.
Keep 3:06.9 to 5:48.1 (end) of the LP version.
Your mixdown will run 4:36 with outro silence, 4:33 without outro silence, with one edit at 1:54.7.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 23 May 2011 at 6:53am
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This is one 45 where the grey vinyl is actually more common than the black vinyl issue, and the grey vinyl issue even came with a fold out poster sleeve. I have both pressings on 45 rpm but have not actually pulled them out to time them.
I have a 2-track "special promotional cd" for this song from 1987, Arista ASCD 9606, with listed versions being (Long Version) and (Short Version). No times are given on either the jewel case or the cd itself, however [give or take a few hundredths of a second] the long version runs (5:47.36) and the short version runs (4:35) even. I had to boost the fade outs in adobe audition to hear their exact ending points on both versions.
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My black vinyl pressing, with matrix info of AS1-9606-SA DMM MASTERDISK SP \-\ timed out to (4:33.911) though there was a lot of noise on the fade out so it may have kept fading below a point I could detect it over the record noise.
My grey vinyl pressing timed out to (4:33.894) and has similar matrix info: AS1-9606-SA-1 DMM MASTERDISK SP \-\
Both 45s seem to fade out (or the background noise overpowers the fade out too much) at about the same point, which is about 2 seconds before my cd single version officially ends the song on the short version.
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