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Fetta
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I apologize if this has been discussed before (I did a search and it didn't come up) but I just realized that there are 3 different versions of "Gloria" by Laura Branigan.
There is the commercial copy which clocks at 4:50; the dj copy which clocks in at 3:50 and I just pulled the promo 12" and never realized that there is a long version that clocks in at 5:53. This version is interesting because it deletes the build up intro that is on the 45 version.
Is anyone else aware of this version? Has it appeared on any CD and can it be created from either of the 45 versions. I'd be happy to send a needle drop if anyone is interested.
Maybe this is old news to the board but I never realized the long promo 12" version before.
-Jeff
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I have the 12" version on the double vinyl LP from Atlantic called "Dance Traxx". They also released a volume 2 that made it to CD (the CD had 12" mixes, the vinyl was on lp and had radio edits), but volume one, unfortunately, has never made it to CD. And it always annoyed me that the buildup is omitted from the 12" mix! Such an important part of the whole song.
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I tracked down the 12" single about a year ago and was very disappointed. Not only is the buildup omitted, but it sounds like they just copied and pasted sections from the LP version to stretch out the length. I didn't notice any additional isolated instruments, effects, or other mix differences. So, my guess is that it could be re-created from the LP version.
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Fetta
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Interesting..... My only guess as to why they would omit the intro would be because the 12" was most likely intended for DJ's who would be mixing the song out of another song and would have probably moved passed the point of the intro to begin their mix.
Just a thought.
Edited by Fetta on 27 September 2011 at 10:08am
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The Hits Man
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I think so, Fetta. I recall the 45 and 12" version of The
Brothers Johnson's "Strawberry letter #23". It also chops
off the music box intro.
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budaniel
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Unfortunately, even without the intro, the 12" is not mixer-friendly. 12" mixes usually have an extended, minimal extended intro of the rhythm track and maybe the bass. The Gloria 12" comes smashing in with the full out orchestration and would be really jarring if mixed in from another song.
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Fetta
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Totally agree with you budaniel but there were plenty of 12" in the 70's and 80s that didn't always give you a great intro to mix into. I can think of a ton of them off hand ("Boogie Wonderland" "There But For The Grace of God", etc.)
I wasn't djing in the 80's when Gloria was a big hit but I always felt that there never was enough kick to it. It does fine for radio but at a club, (like I said I wasn't there then) but I feel like it was missing something.....maybe a harder driving beat... Just my opinion.
-Jeff
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budaniel
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yeah, it's really not a 'dance' song, just an 'uptempo' song. which is what's odd about the 12" mix leaving off the intro to me. in the 80s, 12" singles became so mainstream that they were being created heavily for consumers as 'extended versions' more than 'dance remixes.' And Gloria is definitely just an extended version.
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To Budaniel & Fetta, et al.:
Oh it was a 'dance' song. Oh it was a 'club' record.
That song was HUGE on the dancefloor in that aforementioned extended version [Atlantic promo DMD 338 had the album version on the b-side].
But I know what you're talking about. I remember when it was first being promoted to the clubs, before radio got its push. I remember thinking it was too midrangey, not enough beat, etc. But it took off, swiftly, & really appealed to just about every type of clubgoer even before radio got ahold of it.
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Looks like the 12" mix has made it onto CD.......
After EdisonLiite posted the thread about "Haven't Stopped Dancing Yet", I
checked out the Gold Legion website, and they have recently released a
Expanded Edition of "Branigan" which includes the 12" mix of "Gloria"
They also released an expanded version of "Self Control" that also includes
some 12" mixes..... but from the looks of it, they did not include the Guitar-
less intro version of "Self Control".
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The Gold Legion discs have not been released yet. They do amazing reissues, but they are infamous for changing release dates and not updating their site. I've had the Suzi Lane on backorder for about 2 years--when it was originally supposed to be released.
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Has the 12" of "Gloria" never been on any other CD compilations before? I would have thought it had by now.
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I have a 192 kbps mp3 version if anyone wants to hear it. DM me.
I have Suzi Lane and Cory Daye on back order with Gold Legion too. They've charged my credit card but no CDs. I emailed them on Sunday about this and no response so far.
Frank
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I too was very disappointed in that 12" as soon as i got
it. I hated the intro chopped off, no remixing, just
loop segments to extended it and as Andrew pointed out,
it was all midrange, no emphasis at all on the beat.
Might have sounded good in clubs but it sounded dead on
my turntable.
I remember 'KTU in NY made their own extended edit, as
they would often do, and that was even done better than
that 12" was, at least to my ears.
MM
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May as well stick with the single version and do your own
extended version.
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The Goldlegion Self Control is out now so if you want her debut album with the 12" Gloria it would be a good time to order as it is a limited edition.
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Indy, I know you meant well with your 3-4 different, "Buy these Goldlegion
Branigan CDs now - they're limited edition" posts. After seeing your latest
one, I finally did just place my order. (Also ordered two others.) Then, five
minutes later, I went back and re-read the earlier posts in this thread.
Others mention things like a 2 year + Goldlegion backorder delay, and
ignored Goldlegion customer service e-mail replies. I now *totally* regret
placing this Branigan order through them!
Indy, based on your repeated "Buy Goldlegion" posts on the Branigan
discs, I assumed this company was honorable. But some earlier posts also
specifically mention that Goldlegion does the ONE thing that I view as the
#1 on-line consumer "red flag." They bill your credit card *before* they
ship out the CDs. That only happened to me one other time. Again, very
small label. And I never did get those discs.......
Indy, as a big 12" version fan yourself, I know you would personally like to
see more of these types of releases issued. And, towards that end, you'd
clearly like the ones already released by them to sell well. I understand
that. But please don't keep repeatedly steering us toward a company
where others here have had issues with! Common sense says that two
years is simply too long a delay, to not automatically have their money
refunded.
This is only my opinion here, and I'm not sure I'm right. But we're
supposed to "have" each other's backs here, not steer others to a high-
risk on-line operation, as Goldlegion now appears to me to be.....
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jimct wrote:
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Oh it's much worse than that, Jim. They bill your credit card *before* they have a release date, *before* they press the CDs or booklet, *before* they finalize the track listing and as far as I can tell, *before* they even know if they will be able to license the product from the owner. I paid for Self Control + the first Branigan album + Cheryl Ladd CD 6 months ago - the latter 2 still haven't been released, and I'm hoping it's only an 8 or 9 month delay on the Cheryl Ladd CD at this point, but it could be much longer!
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Paul got his "Self Control" CD from them already. I doubt Indy had any idea that people have been having problems with Gold Legion. I had never heard that before today.
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You actually can order the "Self Control" CD through Amazon. It's fulfilled by a company called "CD Taxi," but that company gets excellent user reviews. That may not do any good for people who already ordered, but if you do have to get a refund from your credit card company, this might be another option to re-order. (I'll warn you that Paul told me the CD is a bit brickwalled, though.)
Self Control (Remaser and Expanded)
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