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my commercial 45 for the pete drake song "forever" issued
as smash 1888 states the run time on the label as 2:37 but
actually runs 2:38......the question i have is that most of
the whitburn books has the catalog number as smash
1867.....in my ebay travels, i've never seen a smash 1867
issued 45.....is this a typo or is there a second more
elusive vinyl 45 out there.......
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Ed, "Forever" was issued under both catalog numbers, each with a different "B" side ("Sleep Walk" on 1867 and "Midnight In Amarilla" on 1888.
My stock copy is also on Smash 1888.
Edited by Yah Shure on 23 March 2012 at 1:10pm
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yah shure, thanks for the info.....
paul haney......which one is listed in the billboard charts
during it's chart run?........and, can you see if we can
get whitburn's books to list both 45's in the future...
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Ed, I think I know why Mr. Whitburn listed it the way he has. The Smash
1867 45 was released around Jan. 1964, and this was truly the Top 40 hit.
Quite often in the 60's, labels would "recycle" an old 45's B-side (and less
commonly, an old 45's A-side) for a subsequent 45 release. After all, the
mastering/pressing/stamping process was already completed for these
tracks, making this process both much quicker and far less expensive for
the labels. That's what happened here, Ed. "Midnight In Amarilla" was the
immediate follow-up 45 to "Forever", released in late March 1964. Smash,
for whatever reason, decided to again use "Forever" as this 45's B-side.
Why? Who knows. Perhaps 45 sales for "Forever" were slowing down, and
the label was pondering whether or not to do "one more current 45
pressing run" on it. But by instead opting to add it as the B-side of his
follow-up, retaliers could then also sell Smash 1888 copies to any
remaining customers wanting a "Forever" copy. Therefore, having Mr.
Whitburn also list Smash 1888 as a "hit release" # is technically incorrect -
because it was the "B" side of that 45. But I do agree, Ed - Smash 1888
copies have long been far easier to track down than Smash 1867 has
been.
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jim, as always, thanks for the insight!!!....btw, can i
assume the smash 1867 and 1888 versions of "forever" were
identical?
Edited by edtop40 on 23 March 2012 at 2:50pm
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Just checked both 45s deadwaxes for you: (both machine-stamped)
Smash 1867: YW 30207 1
Smash 1888: YW 30207 2 (for both my copies of this)
To answer your question, Ed: Yes. Aside from the pressing run # difference
(1 vs. 2), the masters #'s appear to be identical.
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edtop40 wrote:
yah shure, thanks for the info.....
paul haney......which one is listed in the billboard charts
during it's chart run?........and, can you see if we can
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Jim's explanation is spot-on, as usual. For the record, the actual Hot 100 charts did show the 1867 number all the way through the song's chart run.
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paul, thanks for double checking.....
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Thanks for providing the better info, Jim! I never noticed I had the "stiff-plus-prior-hit" follow-up before.
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