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JL328
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I know there are other threads about top 40 hits not yet on CD, but they
all seem a bit outdated. That said, I noticed that there are several late 60s
(1964-69) hits not available on U.S. CD that appear to be on iTunes, at
least in some form.
I wouldn't mind some help from anybody who knows these songs a little
better than I do.....
CHARTBUSTERS 1964 SHE'S THE ONE
This appears on iTunes on an EP also called "She's the One." It runs 2:23
which is roughly equivalent to the original. A quick listen makes me
believe that this is indeed the original recording. Any thoughts?
CLIFF RICHARD 1964 IT'S ALL IN THE GAME
This appears on iTunes on a 1987 Cliff Richard release called "Love
Songs." That album appears to be an album full of covers. It runs 3:13
but I don't know what the original ran. Judging from the album it comes
from, my hunch is this is a remake. But, that said, I have to imagine that
most Cliff Richard hits are available on UK imports. Anybody know?
DAVE CLARK FIVE 1967 YOU MUST HAVE BEEN A BEAUTIFUL BABY
This song came from the 1967 LP "Everybody Knows," and that album is
available digitally on iTunes (although it seems to have a slightly different
track lineup). This song runs 2:17 on iTunes and that is on track with the
original. Pretty sure this is the original recording.
FORTUNES 1965 HERE IT COMES AGAIN
This song literally appears on about 25 different iTunes albums. It is
quite clearly labeled as a "re-recording" on most of these "albums."
Although there are clearly at least 3 different recordings available on
iTunes, I don't think any of them are the original, but I don't know this
tune well enough to pick out the subtleties.
HESITATIONS 1968 BORN FREE
This track came from the 1968 album also titled "Born Free" and it
appears that the entire album is available on iTunes. The fact that the
whole album is there makes me comfortable this is the original recording.
There is also a version on a digital album called "Soul Classics," which
sounds like a re-recording.
MARGARET WHITING 1966 WHEEL OF HURT
I don't know this song well. The track on iTunes is on a digital album
called "I Get a Kick Out of You." According to iTunes, it is a 2008 release
from "Classic Records." The track runs 2:46 which is roughly equivalent
to the original (I think). The iTunes album looks generic and highly
suspect. That said, the iTunes sample sounds a lot like the original. Does
anybody know this song well enough to comment?
MILLIE SMALL 1964 SWEET WILLIAM
This track appears on iTunes on a digital album called "50s and 60s Lost
and Found Records, Vol. 1." This is a 2011 release from "Master Classic
Records." It runs 1:42 on iTunes, which matches the original recording.
Sounds right, too. I think this one is legit.
If anybody has any further info on these lost tunes or if anybody can
positively remove any doubt that any of the above are, indeed, the original
recordings, I would appreciate any input.
Thanks much.
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Bill Cahill
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The Dave Clark Five is the correct version and is apparently licensed directly from Dave Clark himself. Most or all of the Dave Clark Five albums available at iTunes have a different track line up than the original vinyl versons. It's been suggested that Dave replaced songs over royalty disputes with other band members.
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Thank you, Bill. That's good information and I had not heard that about the royalties issue. I'm glad that "You Must Have Been a Beautiful Baby" made the cut since it's not available elsewhere. I was pretty confident that was the original recording, but I appreciate the confirmation.
Well, that's one lost hit down. Anybody have any info on the other six?
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The Chartbusters' "She's The One" is the hit version. It's been available on iTunes since at least 2008 (which was when I bought it).
Cliff Richard's Love Songs compilation was originally released in 1981 as a 2-LP set in many countries. They are not re-recordings. (Although the songs that had been released in the U.S. were released on a number of labels, in the UK they were all on EMI).
I was intrigued enough to download the Hesitations, Margaret Whiting, and Millie Small songs.
I only have a Canadian 45 of "Born Free" (Kapp 878, same as the US release). The download I purchased (from Soul Classics) is the same recording as my 45, but slower. My 45 runs (2:30) and the download (2:35).
The download of "The Wheel Of Hurt" is the same version as my U.S. 45. The bad news is that it appears that the file I downloaded was corrupt as there are those static-like noises audible at times. Aside from that issue, it sounds like it was mastered from a clean record.
I don't have an original 45 of "Sweet William", but I do have a Smash re-issue 45 (with the hit version of "My Boy Lollipop" on the flip). The download is the same version, but I don't think the sound quality of the download is all that good. It sounds rechanneled and was probably mastered from a record.
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Thanks, Paul.
So, are you saying that you believe that the version of "It's All in the Game" by Cliff Richard on Love Songs is, in fact, the original hit recording?
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Itunes lists 10 different sources for "Here It Comes Again" and there is only 1 that features the original hit version and that is from "Golden Hits Forever Vol. 7". The song is mono and runs (2:59) which is :05 shorter than the 45.
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I downloaded Margaret Whiting's "The Wheel Of Hurt," which is mono, and it sounds like a vinyl dub heavily noise reduced. Does anyone know if a stereo mix was on an LP?
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Re:
"I downloaded Margaret Whiting's "The Wheel Of Hurt,"
which is mono, and it sounds like a vinyl dub heavily
noise reduced. Does anyone know if a stereo mix was on an
LP?"
Yes, there was a stereo LP. i don't own one, but a friend
sent me an mp3 from it that sounds pretty good.
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Scott Young wrote:
| I downloaded Margaret Whiting's "The Wheel Of Hurt," which is mono, and it sounds like a vinyl dub heavily noise reduced. Does anyone know if a stereo mix was on an LP? |
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What label was it on? There are a TON of "copyright expired" Canadian and British releases on iTunes that are simply disc dubs of material that has lapsed out of copyright outside the US.
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Re: Margaret Whiting;
The album on I-tunes and Spotify, as mentioned by JL328,
is on Classic records. I've seen this label on other
digital oldies releases, and yes seems to often use disc
dubs as sources - and in this case is mono and quite poor
sound (digital clicks, distortion, and over-processed.)
The original stereo LP was on London records. I presume
that would mean controlled by Universal in the US unless
the rights have changed hands.
MM
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I have a random mp3 of "The Wheel of Hurt" that I'm happy to share with you all. It sounds clear to me, but perhaps from vinyl. It sounds good to me, though.
Frank
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Is the Stereo version of "Here It Comes Again" a re-recorded version? I own it on the London Time Pieces reissue 45.
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For "Here It Comes Again" - for some reason, the stereo LP
version uses a different vocal take than the mono 45, but
the backing track is the same one.
So the stereo is definitely a "LP Version" and the hit
version is only in mono.
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Re: Here It Comes Again - i did a quick synch on that
years ago, which was how i learned the vocals takes were
different. I put them one in each channel so it's easy
to hear when something is an alternate.
The 2 takes are incredibly close, so i just synched them
again to see if i could pick out any differences - the
result was surprising.
The vocals are so similar it's almost impossible to "A/B"
and tell them apart, until you get to 1:32, the word
"again" is sustained for 2 beats in the stereo instead of
one beat in the 45.
The surprising part is at 1:55, they become the same
take. They are then the same recording all the way to the
end, except in the mono mix a tambourine overdub appears
at 2:56 that is is not in the LP version.
The explanation for this is simple, for the mono mix,
they spliced together 2 takes to make the hit.
Come time to mix it for the stereo LP, they simply mixed
one of the 2 takes. Since the 2 takes were so similar,
i'm sure they figured no one would ever notice. But then
i'm sure they couldn't have dreamed of this forum! :-)
Just thought i'd share that odd forensic find.
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one final correction; the tambourine overdub is actually
thru-out the mono mix on every chorus.
i hadn't heard it clearly because the 45 i used to synch
was badly worn. oops.
MM
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