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I'm not sure if somebody has started this thread before, but I've been working on a list of Cashbox top 40 hits which were not top 40 hits in Billboard magazine. Although I have only researched 1972, 73 and 74, I was surprised to find out as many as 36 songs were Top 40 hits in Cashbox but not in BB in 1972, 35 in 1973 and 24 in 1974. In addition, many of these songs are not included in the database (e.g. Stories "Mammy blue" #21, Soul Children "Hearsay" #22, Led Zeppelin "Over hills.." #28 to name only very few).
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Wow, I had no idea that there were so many. Will you be posting the list here?
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Yes of course, I worked with the weekly charts published in the Cashbox website. If you are interested I can also post highest Cashbox and Billboard positions for comparison purposes. It is interesting to see the gap between the highest position between both charts (e.g. John Denver's "I'd rather be a cowboy" reached #27 in CB and #62 in BB). Could anybody explain these differences?
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When you get to "The Letter" by Wayne Newton as the number one song December 12th 1992 you begin to sense a pattern. The earlier Cashbox charts (60's and 70's) seemed reasonable, but into the 80's and 90's the phrase to best describe Cashbox was "the best charts money can buy". For more on Cashbox charts, just Google "Cashbox Magazine Murder"
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As I recall, Billboard charts were based on a combination of airplay and sales, whereas Cashbox was sales only.
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Here's the 1973 list, number in the left is Cashbox peak position, number in the right is BB peak position which I have added for comparison purposes. To make this faster, I have shortened some song titles.
20 Sutherland bros and Quiver You got me anyway 48
21 Stories Mammy blue 50
25 Jerry Lee Lewis Drinkin' wine... 41
27 John Denver I'd rather be a cowboy 62
28 Led Zeppelin Over the hills and far.51
29 Manhattans There's no me without..43
30 Steely Dan Show biz kids 61
31 Donna Fargo Superman 41
31 Lighthouse Pretty lady 53
32 Grass Roots Love is what you make..55
32 Jackie Moore Sweet Charlie babe 42
33 Stealers Wheel Everyone's agreed that.49
33 America Muskrat love 67
34 Rolling Stones You can't always get.. 42
34 Tom Jones Letter to Lucille 60
35 Rod Stewart Twisting the night away 59
35 Bloodstone Never let you go 43
36 David Gates Clouds 47
36 Independents Baby I've been missing.41
36 Dobie Gray Loving &n bsp; arms 61
36 Alice Cooper Billion dollar babies 57
37 Les Emmerson Control of me 51
37 Michael Jackson With a child's heart 50
37 Anne Murray What about me 64
37 Raspberries Tonight 69
38 First Choice Smarty Pants 56
39 Cymande The message 48
39 Austin Roberts Keep on singing 50
39 Hues Corporation Freedom for the.. 63
40 Nilsson Remember (Christmas) 53
40 Tommy James Boo boo don't cha be.. 70
40 Keith Hampshire The first cut is the.. 51
40 Eagles &nbs p; Tequila sunrise 64
40 Nino Tempo Sister James & nbsp; 53
In subsequent years list gets substantially shorter. If you like this I can post all 70s and 80s lists.
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bitman wrote:
| As I recall, Billboard charts were based on a combination of airplay and sales, whereas Cashbox was sales only. |
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Up to a certain point Cash Box was sales-only, and we're not quite sure where.
They stopped notating that the chart was compiled from only sales in early 1968, but the year-end charts continued to call it the "Cash Box Top 100 Bestselling Singles Chart" up through the 1973 or 1974 year-end issue. Cash Box began notating which songs were the greatest airplay gainers sometime in the late '70s. So it's kind of a mystery as to exactly when they started incorporating airplay.
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rnell wrote:
Here's the 1973 list... In subsequent years
list gets substantially shorter. If you like this I can
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I'd like to see them, rnell. Actually, the lists getting
shorter in subsequent years would seem to back up the scant
evidence we have that 1973 was perhaps the last full year
that the "Cash Box" Top 100 was a completely sales-based
chart.
Edited by Brian W. on 06 August 2012 at 12:47am
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I, too, would like to see all 70s and 80s lists. Thanks.
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Here's the 1972 list, hope it looks better (compared with my previous list - 1973 -!!).
Thanks to Santi Paradoa for helping me reconvert the files.
22 Soul Children Hearsay 44
25 Tommy James & Shondells Nothing To Hide 41
25 Sly & the Family Stone Smilin’ ; 42
26 Guess Who Heartbroken Bopper 47
26 Stories I’m Coming Home 42
27 John Denver Friends With You 47
28 Raiders Country Wine 51
29 Elton John Tiny Dancer 41
31 Partridge Family Am I Losing You 59
32 James Brown I Got A Bag On My Own 44
32 Bobby Womack Woman’s Gotta Have It 60
32 Yes And You And I ; 42
33 Emotions Show Me How 52
33 Denise LaSalle Now Run And Tell That 46
34 Clean Living In Heaven There Is No Beer 49
34 Giorgio ; Son Of My Father 46
34 Millie Jackson My Man A Sweet Man 42
35 Jefferson Airplane Pretty As You Feel 60
35 King Floyd Woman Don’t Go Astray 53
35 Joe Tex You Said A Bad Word 41
36 Alice Cooper Be My Lover 49
36 Chris Hodges We’re On Our Way 44
36 Isley Brothers Lay Away 54
36 John Lennon Happy Xmas
36 Candi Staton In The Ghetto 48
38 James Brown Honky Tonk 44
38 James Brown There It Is 43
38 Gladstone A Piece Of Paper 45
38 Wayne Newton Can’t You Hear The Song 48
38 Rod Stewart Handbags And Gladrags 42
38 Sugar Bears You Are The One 51
39 Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds Daisy Mae 41
39 Nite Liters Afro Strut 49
40 Crusaders Put It Where You Want It 52
40 Denise La Salle Man Sized Job 55
40 Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes I Miss You, 58
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This is 1974
23 Barry White Honey Please Can’t Ya See 44
24 ZZ Top La ; Grange 41
25 Alice Cooper Teenage Lament 74 48
26 Brownsville Station I'm The Leader Of The Gang 48
30 Bob Dylan On A Night Like This 44
30 Billy Preston You’re So Unique 48
31 Bette Midler In The Mood 51
31 Stylistics Heavy Fallin’ Out 41
33 Allman Brothers Band ; Jessica 65
33 Cher I Saw A Man He Danced With His..42
33 Kris & Rita A Song I’d Like To Sing 49
34 Earth, Wind & Fire Keep Your Head To The.. 52
34 Gilbert O'Sullivan Happiness Is Me And You 62
36 Four Tops One Chain Don't Make No..41
36 BW Stevenson The River Of Love 53
37 Lobo Rings 43
38 Bill Amesbury Virginia 59
38 Joe Cocker Put Out The Light 46
38 Marvin Gaye & Diana Ross Don’t Knock My Love 46
38 Eddie Kendricks Tell Here Love Has Felt 50
38 Steve Miller Band Living In The USA 49
39 Edgar Winter Group Hangin’ Around 65
40 Marvin Gaye You Sure Love To Ball 50
40 Steve Miller Band Your Cash Ain’t Nothin’.51
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This is 1975
31 Sharon Paige & H. Melvin & Blue Notes Hope That We Can Be…. 42
32 Ohio Players I Want To Be Free 44
33 Gladys Knight & The Pips Love Finds It’s Own Way 47
33 O'Jays Give The People What They Want 45
35 Gary Toms Empire 7-6-5-4-3-2-1 (Blow Your whistle) 46
36 Diamond Reo Ain't That Peculiar 44
37 Rolling Stones I Don’t Know Why 42
38 Michael Holm When A Child Is Born 53
38 David Bowie Changes ; 41
38 James Taylor Mexico 49
40 Harry Chapin I Wanna Learn A Love Song 44
40 Al Green Oh Me, Oh My 48
40 Gladys Knight & The Pips Money 50
40 Alice Cooper Welcome To My Nightmare 45
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1976:
32 Frankie Avalon Venus 46
38 Bachman Turner Overdrive Down To The line 43
40 Starbuck I Got To Know 43
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1977:
32 Heart ; Dreamboat Annie 42
35 Millie Jackson If you're not in love..43
36 Walter Murphy Flight '76 44
37 Aerosmith Draw the line 42
39 Al Stewart On the border 42
39 Doobie brothers Little darling 48
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1978:
34 Johnny Rivers Curious mind 41
34 Justin Hayward Forever autumn 47
35 Dan Hill All I see is your face 41
36 D. Ross/M. Jackson Ease on down the road 41
38 John Denver How can I leave you again 44
39 Nick Gilder Here comes the night 44
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Does anyone know why the amount of songs that only made top 40 in Cashbox (and not Billboard) gets smaller the further we get into the '70s?
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I continue with the lists of CB top 40 singles (outside the top 40 in BB):
1979
33 Gary's Gang Keep on dancin' 41
33 Mass Production Firecracker 43
34 Stevens, Ray I need your help BM 49
40 Firefall Goodbye I love you 43
40 Cars It's all I can do 41
1980
34 Flying Lizards Money 50
35 Mac Davis It's hard to be humble 43
37 Robert John Lonely eyes 41
38 Queen Play the game 42
39 Ali Thomson Live every minute 42
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Great thread. I just received the two new Whitburn Music Vendor / Record World books for Christmas with a focus on checking out the songs that made those charts but never hit the Billboard Top 100. It got me to thinking, is there an easy way to get to the same information with Cashbox, or do you have to go day by day using the charts on their website?
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Ringmaster_D wrote:
| Great thread. I just received the two new Whitburn Music Vendor / Record World books for Christmas with a focus on checking out the songs that made those charts but never hit the Billboard Top 100. It got me to thinking, is there an easy way to get to the same information with Cashbox, or do you have to go day by day using the charts on their website? |
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Or you could wait until our Cash Box book comes out, late next year. We'll have the non-Billboard hits marked with a special symbol (just like the RW book).
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Paul:
So that upcoming Cashbox book will include the songs that also
charted on the BB chart?
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