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MMathews
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Pat,
Re: My girl (Gone, Gone, Gone) - just noticed this in the
database.
the version on these cd's:
"Lost 45's of the 70's and 80's"
"Then - Totally Oldies 80's 5"
is not the U.S. 45 version. The version on these cd's
and my Canadian Best-of are the original mix. It was re-
mixed for the U.S. Millenium LP, and the U.S. 45 was
edited from that remix.
The original Canadian mix sounds very "mono" with most
elements center, and mono reverb.
The U.S. remix sounds fuller, wider mix with stereo
reverb, altho this is easier to hear under headphones.
The easiest way to spot the original Canadian mix is in
the intro. Both start with the chant "gone gone gone she
been gone so long, she been gone gone gone so long".
However;
The segment as the drums start at :14, from :14 to :22
they chant "gone gone gone she been gone so long well i
wonder if i'm ever gonna see my girl" twice.
THAT segment was edited out of the American mix. The lead
vocal should start at :14 on both the U.S. LP and 45
versions.
I don't have either cd listed with "LP Version" but i'd
assume they are the U.S. LP version - but as ar as i know
the Millenium 45 version is not on cd yet.
MM
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Hmmm I wonder if we have a case of there being 2 different US pressings of this 45 as I have 4 dj copies of this single, all pressed in the US, Millennium 11813, matrix number YB-11813-A and they all match what Mark describes as the Canadian version and is the version on the cd "Lost 45s of the '70s & '80s". I do not have a commercial copy but it seems strange that the dj copy would not equal the commercial copy so can anyone else that has a commercial copy please check which version you own and pass along a matrix number as well?
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My Millennium 11813 stock 45 is a Sterling-mastered styrene RCA Indianapolis pressing, and has the same "YB-11813-A" deadwax matrix number as your DJ 45s, Pat. It also matches your description.
The drums start at 12.7 seconds, the "... well, I wonder if I'm ever gonna see my girl" line is repeated twice, and the lead vocal begins at the :22 mark.
The mix sounds identical to the "near mono" mix Mark cited on the Canadian mix, with only the finger snaps providing any significant stereo separation during the intro. I can't detect any mix differences between my stock U.S. 45 and the track on the 1988 Canadian Chilliwack Greatest Hits CD on Solid Gold (VCK 80129.)
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Well, this is a head scratcher for me.
The "Greatest Hits" cd was the first time i'd ever heard
that mix. and of course now that i bring this up, i long
ago got rid of my 45.
I have a digital dub of my u.s. LP, but that doesn't
really help here.
I see i messed up where the lead vocal starts for the
u.s. LP version, it's actually :18.
Well, now i certainly know that what i call the Canadian
mix was indeed on the Millenium 45 - but hopefully i can
locate a 45 that matches what i recall on my pressing.
MM
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Although I can't help you on the 45 question, I can confirm that the
edit you mention with the vocals coming in at :14 does exist. I have it
on a various artists LP called "Rock Power Music" released in 1983 on
RCA. Since I never owned the 45, I just assumed this was the single
version. Now I too am curious from where this edit originates.
Edited by RichM921 on 03 August 2012 at 7:00pm
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It originates from a Canadian promo 45. On the true edit though, the second chant is repeated twice (yes, for a total of four chants). That means the vocal comes in at .... hang on.
... ok back from the turntable, the vocal comes in at :18 seconds. Plus the picthc is slowed down on this mix by a semi-tome I would imagine.
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Jody, the version you describe sounds like the LP mix.
that's basically how i recall my 45 but a little shorter,
could have been an edit or an early fade.
I'm also intrigued by the version Rich has on the RCA
sampler.
Pat, my apologies for raising a false alarm - from what
i'm gathering the version listed as "45 version" is what
was on most 45's out there.
thanks for the extra info guys...
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Bumping this thread back up, it appears that the version MMathews is
describing is the LP version, which runs 4:16 seconds. All 45 versions run
3:56 seconds and include the "wonder if I'm ever gonna see my girl" chant that
starts after the drums kick in. This is absent in the LP version.
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Yes radiofan, I thought my old 45 was just an early fade
of the LP version. But no one here has ever encountered a
pressing like that so once again my aging brain wires must
have crossed.
Funny thing was when I bought their Best-of on CD years
later, I heard the 45 intro with the extra chants and felt
I had never heard that before.
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It was never a hit in the U.S. (maybe in Canada) but a
good song from Chilliwack in 1977 was "Fly At Night"
on the Mushroom label.
Only the LP version, running almost 5 minutes, has
shown up on CD. There was a stereo short version and a
mono short version that had a listed time of 3:20.
Somewhere, in a move or two, I misplaced my copy of
the short version.
It's one of those songs that either wasn't pushed by
the label or the general public hated the song. I
thought it was a good song. In fact, we played it at
WWCB in Corry, PA briefly in 1977.
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So I just want to make sure--the Barry Scott Lost 45s CD has the correct 45 version?
Edited by sriv94 on 23 December 2016 at 7:30pm
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eriejwg wrote:
It was never a hit in the U.S. (maybe in Canada) but a good song from Chilliwack in 1977 was "Fly At Night" on the Mushroom label.
Only the LP version, running almost 5 minutes, has shown up on CD. There was a stereo short version and a mono short version that had a listed time of 3:20. Somewhere, in a move or two, I misplaced my copy of the short version. |
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John, it was the "Fly By Night" DJ 45 that had the short mono/stereo coupling. The U.S. stock 45 (4:50 listed) was the same as the LP track.
Mushroom did make an effort to push the single; we got a bunch of nifty airplane mobiles from the label at the distributorship I was working for at the time, which also tied into the parent Dreams, Dreams, Dreams LP (I gave one of the mobiles to a friend's kid brother, who would grow up to become a corporate pilot. Dreams, indeed!)
I can think of two factors that might've held the single back: 1) as a small indie label, Mushroom was putting most of its limited promotion budget behind Heart at the time, and 2) "Fly At Night" might've sounded a little too much like a Neil Young record to some programmers. Maybe if they'd titled it "A Horse With No Plane"... ;)
The promo 45 edit really tightened up the song, IMO. It peaked at #16 on the CHUM Chart in Toronto.
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Thank you for the detailed info, Santa Pratt.
Looks as though only 4 stations in Canada, including
CHUM, gave the song some spins. It's biggest chart
success was at CKLG (#4). The other 2 stations were
CFGO in Ottowa and CKDA in Victoria.
I think you're right, the label's main push at the time
was Heart.
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Reviving this thread after three years.
45 version (about 3:56)
Chilliwack's Canadian label at the time, Solid Gold Records, released a nice Greatest Hits, with copyright dates of 1983 and 1988. The packaging looks cheap from the outside, but the track selection gives a nice representation of their very long career in Canada, and the sound quality is quite nice. The same analog transfer is used on:- Renaissance's Heard It On The Radio Vol. 1 (1998)
- Varese's Lost 45s Of The '70s And '80s Vol. 1 (1998)
- Varese's Totally Oldies Vol. 5 Then '80s (2003) - digitally identical to Lost 45s
All of the above sound quite nice, with nice EQ and no hint of noise reduction. The two Varese discs are just a teeny bit loud, and clip a bit in the last minute of the song. If given a choice, hunt down the Chilliwack Greatest Hits, which should be a tiny fraction of the cost of any of the others.
I also have the 45 version on a Canadian 2-CD compilation on Cirpa Records called Best Of Canadian Rock (1991). It sounds horrendous here, with extremely low sound levels and no discernible high end. Avoid.
LP version (about 4:16)
Solid Gold Records rereleased Chilliwack's Greatest Hits in 2002, with a new mastering, and two added videos on the CD. The 2002 mastering features the LP version of "My Girl." Sound is also quite nice, with a very bright EQ and no obvious artifacts from noise reduction. I didn't check if the other tracks were all LP versions as well.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 02 February 2020 at 9:40pm
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