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this one hasn't been exposed yet
the 45 version of steve winwood's hit "while you see a chance" actually runs 5:13 and NOT 4:07 as listed on the 45's face and is the same as the version from "chronicles" cd island 842364
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i have the vinyl lp of "chronicles" issued as island 25660 and that version runs 4:07 and is identical to the version on the time life cd "sounds of the 80's:early 80's:take two" issued as time life r988-18
so the database is incorrect.
the 45 version actually runs 5:13 and is the same as the chronicles 5:13 version
please make a note as to the vinyl version of chronicles also contains the 4:07 edit version which maybe out there somewere as the dj edit
any thoughts
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My commerical 45 for "While You See A Chance" (Island 49656) is
the edited version that times out to 4:05. The inner ring is IS -
49656 WAA - 9858 VI -S-LW1.
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I also have the 45 with PS. The one commonly found on CD is the version
with more lyrics.
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Ed,
I located my Picture sleeve 45 and timed it. I will confirm that the 45
version does indeed time out at 4:05.
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I think it was issued both ways on 45.
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anthology123
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Of note: On the picture sleeve are the lyrics to the song. It has only the lyrics
of the 4:07 edit and no additional lyrics that appear in the longer version.
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Pat, I noticed that you make the notation ("Chronicles" vinyl LP and short 45 version) next to the Time Life CD in the database. Wouldn't it make more sense to list it simply as (short 45 version), since the LP Chronicles is a compilation and came out years after the song was a hit? With this notation, it makes the reader think that there is more than one LP version, when actually the "short 45 version" was included on vinyl pressings of Chronicles.
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Just trying to point out that the "Chronicles" cd and the "Chronicles" vinyl LP do not feature the same version of "While You See A Chance".
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Yes, I understood what you were trying to show; however, I only knew from having read this thread on the message board. One example that I will point out is "Want Ads" by Honey Cone, which you list as having two different LP versions---one from Sweet Replies and one from Soulful Tapestry.
The notation on the Steve Winwood track made me think that was the case with "While You See A Chance," too. You might label it in the same way you did "Dirty Laundry" by Don Henley, making the notation next to Chronicles (vinyl copies contain the short 45 version).
Just trying to keep things consistent...
Edited by aaronk on 07 May 2006 at 4:02pm
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the cd's running 5:13 have a few seconds of music from the previous track which causes the song to run 0:02 longer than the actual 5:11 running 45...this should be noted in the db....
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The long commercial 45 (U.S. issue, actual running time 5:11) is shorter than the original LP "Arc of a Diver."
The long commercial 45 has the first :01.8-cut on the LP. So this 45 doesn't contain the shaking bell sound.
Although my LP is the Japan issue, this LP version source on the U.S. box set CD "The finer things" contains the shaking bell sound.
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I checked my US 45 of "While You See a Chance" at it's the longer version. The deadwax has a "RE1" next to the numbers. Looks like this version was released after the edited version was. Looks like both versions had the same picture sleeve.
I know sometimes artists complained when their songs were edited, but I wonder what the reason was for releasing this both ways. There are numerous examples of this and I doubt it was the artist complaining every time.
Strange that they wouldn't change the label. Most people buying the single were probably surprised when it timed out much longer than the 4:07 on the label.
FWIW, the Canadian 45 also had 4:07 on the label, but I never bought it (opting for the LP at the time). I presume it was actually the shorter version. Sometimes there were two versions of Canadian 45s, but I don't think this was one of them.
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Maybe the reason they released the long-version 45 after the edited 45 was because they realized how awkward the edit sounded. In fact, I vote it as the #1 most awkward edit in history. Maybe you have to be slightly familiar with the long version to know how weird this edit is. They cut at the end of the words "your way" (an AY-sound) and come in during the middle of an "EEE" sound (and there might have even been a sax that gets cut in as well.) Has anyone else noticed how awkward this edit sounds?
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Yep. Led me to think that any 45 version of "Chance" on CD couldn't possibly be the 45 because a 45 wouldn't have that awkward an edit.
I don't think that's a sax solo, though, Gordon; I'm pretty sure it's Winwood showing off on the keyboards.
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I agree, that's one of the worst edits ever actually released, in my view.
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http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=288& KW=winwood+chance&PN=0&TPN=2
I thought it was a bad edit too...lol
We should start a thread on bad edits. I think that the radio edit of Steve Winwood's "While You See a Chance" has to take the cake for the worst blade cut in history.
(this is what I wrote on the Radio-Info Forum...)
In attempts to edit out the first bridge and second verse, Island records attempts to join ".....your waaaaaaaay" with "can you beeeeeeee". What they think they will accomplish is making Stevie sound like he's improvising. I'm sure it sounded good in their heads. What you end up with is "your waaaaaa/eeeeeee". It is severely abrupt. Driving over speed bumps at 90 mph is a gentler experience.
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From what I recall, the edit of Aerosmith's "Dream On" also produces a similarly dreadful effect... rejoining a word in mid-note.
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It's funny but I was going to list the single edit of "Dream On" as the 2nd most awkward edit ever. But then I remembered, when I heard this version on the radio in 1973 (and when I bought that 45 right away), I didn't even notice anything weird there. It was only after I got to know the long version in later years, and then went back to hear the 45 that the edit sounded awful to me. So I figured, if I didn't notice it the first time around, I wouldn't list it here as the 2nd worst edit of all time. But yes, it has the same effect as that of Winwood's. It rejoins another word with a different vowel midnote. In Boston, this edited version was a big hit in '73 (3 years before it took off nationally), and I've always wondered (in recent years) if Steven Tyler, Joe Perry & crew cringed when the label first showed them that edit.
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To EdisonLite:
That Aerosmith single was a REMIX & they could have majorly smoothed out that edit...
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The shorter 45 edit of "While You See a Chance"
running 4:07 is also available on the US release of
the compilation album Revolutions: The Very Best of
Steve Winwood.
https://www.discogs.com/es/Steve-Winwood-Revolutions-
The-Very-Best-Of-Steve-Winwood/release/2371752
The UK/European release, however, uses the LP version
running 5:10.
https://www.discogs.com/es/Steve-Winwood-Revolutions-
The-Very-Best-Of-Steve-Winwood/release/3036299
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