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davidclark
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Posted: 27 August 2013 at 11:13pm \| IP Logged

Over on the BSN board there is mention of the new Carry On box containing
the single mix of this track? Anyone heard it and can comment? Database
does not indicate any info for existing entries.

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Posted: 28 August 2013 at 4:16am \| IP Logged

I was never able to determine any real difference between the stereo LP/DJ single stereo side, and the mono single. Soundeds to me like the stock single is simply a fold down, or was run through a CSG processor using the the mono output.

Edited by Bill Cahill on 28 August 2013 at 4:16am

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Posted: 28 August 2013 at 2:30pm \| IP Logged

Bill,
When i saw David's post i was curious about this one,
since most of the CSN singles sound about the same to me
in stereo or mono..but i never compared this one before.

I had an mp3 45 dub tucked away, so last night i compared
them, with the stereo mix folded to mono.
I did indeed hear some mixing differences..minor things
here and there, but enough to show they are aren't
exactly the same.

A few things i noticed are:
-The percussion/bongos are turned up a little louder in
the mono mix, with the acoustic guitars a little lower -
this is reversed in the stereo.

-His lead vocal has slightly more reverb in the mono mix,
and is mixed a bit louder.

-Near the end, when he sings little ad-libs, his vocal is
right up front in the mono, and his last bit right before
the "doo-doo-doot" ending, is a loud and clear "Alllll-
right" ... but in the stereo mix his vocal is lower, and
they turned down his final ad-lid in the stereo so you
don't here him finish that part, you just hear "All...."
then nothing more.
I haven't synchronized them, so there could other little
things but those things were enough for me to deem it a
dedicated mono mix.
Hope that helps!
MM

Edited by MMathews on 28 August 2013 at 2:31pm

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Posted: 28 August 2013 at 6:18pm \| IP Logged

MMathews wrote:

I never had a 45 of this song, but based on the 45
version found on the "Carry On" box set, there are indeed
subtle differences between the 45 and LP if you listen
closely. The reverb was the most noticeable difference
to me, particularly on the verse after the first chorus.
I think that's probably enough to qualify this one for a
45 version/LP version distinction.

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Posted: 28 August 2013 at 8:03pm \| IP Logged

I noted the difference in reverb but I don't hear anything in one that's not in the other, the "version" designation usually goes to something that's more significantly different, but I'll let others judge whether or not it should be noted.

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Posted: 29 August 2013 at 6:46pm \| IP Logged

Just to correct a minor error in my above comparison, the
words at the ending are not "all-right" as i noted, but
are "Aw, YEAH" - it the word "yeah" that is clear on the
45 but in the LP version it is missing.

I synchronized the 45 with the LP today, and other small
differences popped out, such as at about 1:30 when they
repeat the title, the organ is potted up in the LP, but
is missing from that spot in the 45.

Hey and guess what? Today i compared the alternate mix
released on the album "Replay". It is stereo, but if you
fold it to mono, it is in fact identical to the 45 mix..
every element, right down to the reverb in the vocal.
Go figga.

MM

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Posted: 29 August 2013 at 7:38pm \| IP Logged

Then I may have to take back my comments as I have always compared the stereo and mono versions to the stereo mix on the DJ side.

I wonder now if the DJ stereo mix does not match the original stereo LP mix.

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Posted: 29 August 2013 at 11:38pm \| IP Logged

You may be on to something there, Bill.
I'd find it an extraordinary coincidence that they remixed
the song in 1980 for "Replay" and it happened to come out
identical to the single mix.
Sounds to me like they just pulled the stereo single
master and included it.

Bill, if you want to confirm this for the stereo side,
just listen for the word "yeah" at 2:53. If it is
audible, then it is indeed a stereo single mix.
MM

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Posted: 30 August 2013 at 12:29am \| IP Logged

Thanks guys. Amazing just how many differences there are and when
pointed out (courtesy Markie) they do indeed stand out. But all these years
hearing the LP mix I guess most of us "forgot" the 45 mix.

Since this was at the time Atlantic and other companies were switching over
to stereo commercial 45s, perhaps the song was considered for stereo single
release and a mix was done (which showed up on the promo) but they opted
for mono on the commercial 45, and, it being a fold-down of the stereo
promo side.

Edited by davidclark on 30 August 2013 at 12:30am

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Posted: 31 August 2013 at 11:59am \| IP Logged

Confirmed, the "yeah" is clearly audible on the stereo DJ side, just like the mono.

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Posted: 01 September 2013 at 5:32pm \| IP Logged

I just checked it out on iTunes, and it sounds very
different from the album stereo mix to me. It's
unmistakable!

Thanks David and Mark!

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Posted: 01 September 2013 at 8:01pm \| IP Logged

and thanks Bill for confirming the DJ single!
The only thing to know about the "Replay" album copy is
that is it pitched much faster than the 45, 3:02 vs. 3:06
for the single, so all one needs do is slow it down and
then it matches perfectly.
MM

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Posted: 02 September 2013 at 8:35pm \| IP Logged

MMathews wrote:

The only thing to know about the "Replay" album copy is
that is it pitched much faster than the 45, 3:02 vs. 3:06
for the single, so all one needs do is slow it down and
then it matches perfectly.
MM

If you buy it from iTunes or 7 Digital, the pitch matches
the song on Stephen Stills' first album on CD. So, the
question is: was the 45 slowed down?

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Posted: 02 September 2013 at 10:37pm \| IP Logged

Might be a good idea to double check the speed, my
reference dub runs 3:06 for the mono commercial 45.
Perhaps Ed or someone could time theirs to confirm it.

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Posted: 02 September 2013 at 11:49pm \| IP Logged

I don't think anyone's pointed this tidbit out yet, but the
"Replay" version I just downloaded from iTunes starts with
the third note, reference to the "Stephen Stills" LP
version. Sounds quite odd after all these years of hearing
the song with first two notes of acoustic guitar.

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Posted: 03 September 2013 at 7:03am \| IP Logged

good ears, Scott. I never noticed that until I a/b'd them after I read your
post. Now, I can't help but notice it is missing in the Replay version.

Question then, do the commercial / promo 45s also omit the first two (very
quick) guitar strums?

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Posted: 03 September 2013 at 11:58am \| IP Logged

I noticed the late start too. The 45 dub i have starts
the same way. It was yet another clue to me it was the
same tape as the 45.
MM

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Posted: 29 May 2017 at 3:19pm \| IP Logged

i just timed my commercial 45 issued as atlantic 1778 and
it runs 3:04...

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Posted: 30 January 2019 at 7:55pm \| IP Logged

I can name only one solo song by Stephen Stills, but I regard it more highly than I do any of the David Crosby or Graham Nash solo records. Back in the '90s, I even got to see the Neville Brothers perform this song as an encore.

I have the song on 11 CDs, and I can trace all 11 masterings back to just two different analog transfers.

The first is on Atlantic's Hit Singles 1958-1977 (1988), where it sounds fine. After the first two quickie intro guitar strums, the acoustic guitar comes in panned to the right. The same analog transfer is used on:

Time-Life's 2-CD Guitar Rock (1990)
Warner Special Products' 2-CD Seventies Party Mix (1996)
Compass/Warner Special Products' 1970s Classic Rock (1999)

The second is on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 2 1971 (1989), where it's mastered with just a slight boost to the high end, which brings out the acoustic guitar strums nicely. After the first two quickie intro guitar strums, the acoustic guitar comes in panned to the left, so one batch of these discs has their left and right channels swapped. The same analog transfer is used on:

Time-Life's 4-CD Great Love Songs Of The 70's And 80's Vol. 2 Let Your Love Flow (1991)
Priority's Seventies Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 3 High Times (1991) - mastered a little loud
JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll #1 Radio Hits 1970-1974 (1996) - cuts off two quickie intro guitar strums; avoid
Simitar/Warner Special Products' Stud Rock Heart Breakers (1998) - cuts off two quickie intro guitar strums; avoid
Time-Life's 2-CD Singers And Songwriters Vol. 2 1970-1971 (2000)
Time-Life's Legends Crank It Up (2003)

All of the above have reasonable sound quality - nice EQ, nice dynamic range, no evidence of noise reduction. If I had to pick one, I'd go with Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 2 1971 (1989), but any of the above should work fine for you (except the two discs that cut off the two quickie intro guitar strums).

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Posted: 31 January 2019 at 7:55am \| IP Logged

Stock 45 RPM singles of this are not Stereo, they are
mono. Even the Atlantic Oldies Series are still mono. Even
to the last label variant.

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