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edtop40
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Posted: 24 March 2006 at 7:50pm \| IP Logged

anyone know which cd has the correct 45 fade out on it.........the 45 fades out to 3:23 while most cd versions run 3:34........the final :05 of the 45 compared to the cdr version i have is very slightly diferent.............anybody????

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Posted: 24 March 2006 at 8:56pm \| IP Logged

That's the trap of trusting the printed timings on 45s. It's the exact same on the 45 as the CD. Also, the CD may be counting the silent space.

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Posted: 24 March 2006 at 9:22pm \| IP Logged

Ed always times his 45s very carefully so I doubt he's referring to the printed time.

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Posted: 25 March 2006 at 8:24am \| IP Logged

no....what i mean is the music in the fade out is slightly different that the cd version.........take a listen to the last 0:05 of the 45's fade out versus the cd counterpart....tell me what you think

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Posted: 25 March 2006 at 12:41pm \| IP Logged

Ed, my stereo dj copy states a run time of (3:29) but
actually runs (3:32) while my mono dj copy runs (3:35) does
your commercial 45 run 3:23?

Edited by Pat Downey on 20 February 2022 at 10:23am

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Posted: 25 March 2006 at 1:10pm \| IP Logged

yes, sir...my 45 fades out about 0:08 ealier than the cd version with a slightly different chorus during the fade out.....would you like an mp3 of my commercial 45????

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Posted: 25 March 2006 at 5:19pm \| IP Logged

edtop40 wrote:

would you like an mp3 of my commercial 45????

Yes, I am interested.

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Posted: 25 March 2006 at 9:38pm \| IP Logged

Ed, I timed your file in Audition at exactly 3:31. I switched to spectaral mode zoomed in at the absolute musical start and end points and marked them. Then I drew the cursor from point to point.

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Posted: 26 March 2006 at 8:30am \| IP Logged

i gotta check my run time again but did you hear the different fade out????

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Posted: 26 March 2006 at 1:20pm \| IP Logged

edtop40 wrote:

i gotta check my run time again but did you hear the different fade out????

No.

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now you've really got me puzzled.....i gotta listen again, now..........

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Posted: 10 April 2006 at 5:43pm \| IP Logged

i stand corrected........my 45 runs 3:32 and is identical to the version from the cd "soul hits of the 70's vol 12" faded 0:03 earlier....thanks for the help on this one.....

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Posted: 31 May 2016 at 5:56pm \| IP Logged

...10 years later

Just noticed that the parent LP of "TSOP (The Sound of Philadelphia)" "Love Is
The Message" states the run time as 3:43 on the label. Is that true or a label
misprint? Database (or the note) will need updating following the verification.

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The oldest CD I have with "TSOP (The Sound Of Philadelphia)" is Columbia Germany's Mixed Masters Vol. 3 (1989). It's the 5:40-ish version that first appeared on the Philadelphia Classics vinyl LP released in 1977. It sounds just OK here - nice dynamic range, good EQ, no evidence of noise reduction, but likely not the lowest-generation source tapes. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Sony's Forever Soul Vol. 1 (1995), which is far more common and likely far less expensive.

Bill Inglot found some terrific source tapes for Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 12 (1991). This version runs 3:34, with a fade from 3:18 to 3:34. Here, it sounds fantastic in every way. The same analog transfer is used on:

Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 27 Dance Fever (1992)
Rhino's Rock Instrumental Classics Vol. 3 The '70s (1994) - digitally identical
Rhino's Billboard Hot Soul Hits 1974 (1995) - digitally identical
Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 42 A Loss For Words (1995) - digitally exactly 0.9 dB louder
Rhino's Tube Tunes Vol. 1 The '70s (1995) - digitally identical
MCA's 3-CD Soul Train 25th Anniversary Hall Of Fame (1995) - digitally exactly 3.388 dB louder and clips a lot; avoid
Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 21 1974 (1996) - digitally exactly 1.9 dB louder
Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 9 1974 (1996) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 43 '70s Dance Party 1972-1974 (1997) - differently EQ'd digital clone
Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion One-Hit Wonders (2005) - digitally exactly 2.1 dB louder than Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 27 Dance Fever

Finally, there's a different, and pretty terrible-sounding, analog transfer on Razor & Tie's 2-CD Disco Fever (1991). This version runs 3:40, with a very gradual fade from 3:18 to 3:40. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Sony's Collector's Edition Disco (1995).

Discogs lists a printed time of 3:29 for the 45, and 3:43 for the LP. Was there was really a length difference between the two? If so, do the real lengths and fade points correspond with the 3:34 and 3:40 versions above?

I recommend Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 12 (1991) for "TSOP". Unless there's a pressing need to hear an additional six seconds of the song, I'd avoid the 3:40 version from Disco Fever, because it sounds awful.

Edited by crapfromthepast on 23 February 2017 at 8:34pm

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Posted: 19 February 2022 at 3:05pm \| IP Logged

I've got just one CD with what sounds like the long TV
version. It's on "Get Down With The Philly Sound: The Dance
Collection" on PIR/Legacy from 2008. The CD case is labeled
"Not For Sale" and the song runs 3:43.

It sounds just like the 45 version except the Three Degrees
prominently sing "Soul Train," "people all over the world,"
and so on.

Sound quality is excellent!

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