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Posted: 04 January 2014 at 3:16pm \| IP Logged

my commercial 45 for the little richard song 'lucille'
issued as specialty 598 has re-verb while the cd version
on '18 greatest hits (rhino 75899) is dry and does
not....do any of the db cd entries contain the song with
re-verb?

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Posted: 04 January 2014 at 5:33pm \| IP Logged

Ed:

I've listened to a commercial 45 of Little Richard's "Lucille" as uploaded on YouTube. To my ears, the reverb on the song sounds like it may match that of one of the following CDs in my library:

The Georgia Peach (Specialty 7012)
22 Classic Cuts (UK import - Ace 195)

A closer listen suggests that the reverb may be a bit heavier on the Ace CD. I'll submit these for your review, Ed, and will be interested to read your official verdict.

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Posted: 04 January 2014 at 6:51pm \| IP Logged

ok, paul...i just gave a listen to both files you sent for
the song 'lucille'....they both have re-verb on them as
the rhino disc i have has zero re-verb, and the one with
more reverb is the '22 classic cuts' uk import cd.....that
is pretty close to the vinyl 45's reverb amount.....so i'm
good with that one....thanks!!!

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Posted: 04 January 2014 at 8:20pm \| IP Logged

No problem, Ed. The best way I can explain the reverb differences on "Lucille" between the two CDs I mentioned is during the song's intro... The drum hits seem to have a longer decay time on the 22 Classic Cuts import disc than on the Georgia Peach CD. I agree that the 45 more exactly matches what's on the 22 Classic Cuts disc.

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Posted: 19 June 2023 at 11:30am \| IP Logged

"Lucille" first appeared on CD on Specialty's Essential Little Richard (1985). It sounds good here. Listen for some nice high end from the light snare hits in the first 20 seconds. I hear what I call a moderate amount of reverb on the track. Listen to the tail of the word "sight" at about 1:02. The same analog transfer is used on:

Time-Life's Rhythm And Blues Vol. 8 1957 (1991)
Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 23 1957 (1991)
Time-Life's History Of Rock 'N' Roll Vol. 1 Roll 'N' Roll Classics 1957-1959 (1992)

There was a new analog transfer on Rhino's 18 Greatest Hits (1985). It has the same amount of reverb as Essential, but it lacks some of the high end (compare the light snare hits in the first 20 seconds). Maybe it uses an analog copy of the Specialty source tape? (The credits do say that it's licensed from Specialty.) It sounds very good here, with an EQ choice that pushes the vocals WAY out in front, compared to Essential. It runs 3.55% slower than Essential, too. The same analog transfer is used on:

Rhino's Billboard Top R&B Hits 1957 (1989)
Entertainment Weekly's mail-order 2-CD 35 Years Of Rock And Roll (1992)
Rhino's Hard Rock Cafe Great Balls Of Fire (1999)
TM Century's track No. 0012392

The following likely use a different dub of the same source tape as the Rhino disc:

Time-Life's Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 17 1957 Still Rockin' original release (1988)
Time-Life's Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 17 1957 Still Rockin' RE-1 reissue (copyright 1988, actual release ?)

There was a new analog transfer on JCI's Heart And Soul Fifties (1988), which sounds very muddy, likely due to a high-generation source tape. Avoid.

There was a new analog transfer on Specialty's 3-CD The Specialty Sessions (1989). This version has lots of reverb - far more than any of the other analog transfer listed here (listen to the word "sight" at 1:02). The same analog transfer is used on:

Time-Life's 2-CD Glory Days Of Rock 'N' Roll Vol. 19 R&B Classics (2001) - mastered too loud and clips a bit

Finally, there was a new analog transfer for MFSL's Here's Little Richard + Little Richard reissue (2006). This version has no reverb at all!

My recommendations

I don't have the original vinyl, so I don't know what the actual speed of the track should be, or how much reverb it should have. I can generalize:

For no reverb, I recommend MFSL's Here's Little Richard + Little Richard reissue (2006).

For a small amount of reverb, I recommend Rhino's 18 Greatest Hits (1985).

For a large amount of reverb, I recommend Specialty's 3-CD The Specialty Sessions (1989).

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Posted: 19 June 2023 at 12:21pm \| IP Logged

I found a dub of the Specialty 45 on YouTube. I don't know if it's the original pressing or a rerelease.

The reverb of the 45 seems to match the large amount of reverb on Specialty's 3-CD The Specialty Sessions (1989).

I welcome second opinions!

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Posted: 19 June 2023 at 3:01pm \| IP Logged

Here's the 45 being played by the Music Prof

Lucille 45
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Posted: 19 June 2023 at 3:20pm \| IP Logged

The reverb on the Music Prof video matches the Specialty Sessions set nicely.

So we can say with confidence that the true 45 version is on Specialty's 3-CD The Specialty Sessions (1989), including the proper amount of reverb.

Thanks for the help!

(Are we sure that the Music Prof video is actually from vinyl? It sounds absurdly clean. I know the Music Prof has an excellent reputation and does great work, but it couldn't hurt to ask.)

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Posted: 20 June 2023 at 4:34am \| IP Logged

Yes, the MusicProf has been giving us many 45-only versions that we didn't
have on CD, but he only "recently" started dubbing actual 45s. And, he usually
says so when it's a 45 dub. With the Little Richard coming from 4 years ago
and no 45 dub indication, his is more likely to be a CD rip.

Check out these, one being a 78 dub (so they say...). They look like they'd be
originals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNZcLABDjX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4Ux5jrXmU

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Posted: 20 June 2023 at 7:42am \| IP Logged

Thanks, Dave!

Those two versions, clearly taken from records, also match Specialty's 3-CD The Specialty Sessions (1989), including the proper amount of reverb.

There are speed differences, though, which we'd expect from old records.

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Posted: 23 June 2023 at 5:50pm \| IP Logged

Ron,

I sent you a rip I got recently of Lucille from 22 Classic Cuts. Let me know if the Ace cut matches the 45 as well. For the moment I am going with your recommendation.

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Posted: 26 June 2023 at 10:19am \| IP Logged

The version on 22 Classic Cuts matches the 45 as well.

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