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I notice all database entries for this song run 2:03 - 2:04. This matches a dub of the original WB 5259 single (thanks ED)
My question is has anyone ever heard of a longer version of this appearing on an original pressing of the 45? This was just reported to me by a collector who says he has one.
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Mark, I own two WB 5259 stock 45 copies. Both have listed and actual
times of (2:04). Deadwax info for them are a machine-stamped "DA-
12149-1A" and "DA-12149-1B". I also own a 1962 WB 5259 promo 45
copy. This copy has a listed time of (2:04), an actual time of (2:03), and
handwritten deadwax info of "DA-12149".
There is an obvious edit/splice occurring at the :12 second mark. I
don't own the "Rome Adventure" soundtrack LP, but I did want to hear
it. I just found what claims to be a dub from that LP on YouTube (by
65seasons). It runs (4:00) on there, and begins with a very long
instrumental intro, which explains the edit point at :12. No real
discernable stereo was heard by me here, but it did sound like a lower-
generation master tape was used, than for my 45. It does sound to me
like the 45 is an edited version of the same recording that's on the LP
(although FYI, neither matches the movie version of "Al Di La", which
Pericoli is singing in a restaurant, with Troy Donohue and Suzanne
Pleshette's characters present.)
I also found a longer, (3:15) You Tube version (by Mrcolourmyworld)
that sounded like a "start to finish" version dub. Could this possibly be
an import 45 dub? A simple "homemade" edit? Or was this possibly the
collector's reported version Mark mentioned? At the very least,
obtaining the collector's listed/actual time and deadwax details for his
45 would help firm up his allegations. Especially since I do own an
original promo 45 for "Al Di La", which does match up, time-wise, with
all known stock 45 lengths to date.
Edited by jimct on 07 October 2014 at 8:06pm
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great detective work, Jim! The soundtrack is available on iTunes, and with
the 90 second listen, I can confirm that the instrumental section (not on
the 45) is nice stereo, but the song switches to mono for the Emilio vocal
section :( which has the longer "intro" singing section from which the 45
has the edit at 0:12 as Jim points out as well as an instrumental section in
the middle. So I agree with Jim, it seems we may have a 45 and LP version
distinction on this track. Also, the 45 intro harp does not appear on the
longer LP version.
I would also suspect, without confirmation however, that the U.S. 45 may
have been edited from another country's 45 (as the U.S. had a habit of
doing on occasion to songs from other countries) as evidenced by that
version posted by MrColourmyworld.
Edited by davidclark on 08 October 2014 at 8:09am
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David, at first I also thought that the genesis of the song/movie was more
non-U.S. based, given its base location of Rome. But as I looked more into
it, the film was a WB/U.S. release, with U.S. actors filling all major roles,
on a visit to Italy. WB did use the "local" Dischi Ricardi label, equipment &
personnel to record the film's music, as noted on my 45s (which saved
them $, as did using local extras/support staff for non-U.S. productions.)
Utilizing the handsome native Pericoli obviously added authenticity to the
romantic vibe WB was going for. Still, I can imagine the WB and Dischi
Ricardi teams encountering some issues that neither side did when
working with their usual contacts.
Excellent catch by you, David, on the 45's unique harp intro. You are
correct. I figured in a nearly 2:00 music intro, that short harp segment
must've been in there somewhere. Hopefully, either a confirmed import
45 or the alleged alternate U.S. 45 version particulars will be coming.
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my commercial 45 issued as warner 5259 has machine stamped
'D A-12149-1B' in the run out groove...
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I'm awaiting dead-wax info from the collector who has a WB 5259 that runs longer. I suspect is the same version as the re-issue 45 i have which runs about 2:18. This the same recording as the 2:04 version, but has the 13 secs of vocal starting at about :12 which is (poorly) edited out of the common version. MM
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Almost forgot to update this - thanks Dino!
I got the info for the 45 that has the longer version.
Turns out it's an early pressing of the song that did not
chart. It is Warner 5205. Matrix# on label and deadwax is
DA11548. Listed time 2:22, actual 2:23. There is a Warner
re-issue single from the 70's that also used this
version.
We checked the big "Warner Catalog" and that pressing was
released about 6 months prior to the one that ended up as
the hit, Warner 5259 (2:04). As mentioned above, the hit
version edited out the first half of the first verse.
Just to confirm, the only other place this 2:23 version
appeared is on the "Rome Adventure" Soundtrack, but with
the intro cross-faded from the background music so it's
missing the harp opening.
Finally, I also discovered that the 2:23 longer version
is yet an edit of an even longer version. It runs 3:08
and has an organ solo at about the 2:05 point. This is
apparently the complete unedited recording.
As far as I know, it was only available outside the U.S.
until the digital age. You can now find it on I-tunes or
similar services. One of the V/A comps it appears on is
called "San Remo Hits, Vol 8" I believe it turns up on
other Italian themed V/A comps as well.
MM
Edited by MMathews on 15 November 2014 at 10:57pm
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great to know this, Mark...
The official Warner 5025 is actually Don Ralke - 77 Sunset Strip, from
circa early 1959. Did you mean to type 5205?
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Ah yes, David, I did mean 5205...thanks for catching that.
I updated my post...and thank Jim for all your detective
work! MM
Edited by MMathews on 15 November 2014 at 10:59pm
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