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hi gang,
I thought I would post this here since I figure it is the best place to post it. I
have a bunch of non-top 40 songs where I believe I have an "LP version"
where a 45 version exits (that I don't have). Would anyone have or have any
knowledge of what the 45 version is for the following:
Love Is Life Earth, Wind & Fire 05:03 1971 #93
Guns, Guns, Guns The Guess Who 05:04 1972 #70
Rock And Roll Stew Traffic 04:24 1972 #93
Billion Dollar Babies Alice Cooper 03:40 1973 #57
Farewell Andromeda (Welcome To My Morning) John Denver 04:05
1973 #89
My Old School Steely Dan 05:49 1973 #63
Didn't I Sylvia 04:01 1973 #70
Rubber Bullets 10 C. C. 05:17 1973 #73
Teenage Lament '74 Alice Cooper 03:52 1974 #48
Keep Your Head To The Sky Earth, Wind & Fire 05:11 1974 #52
Song For Anna (Chanson D'Anna) Herb Ohta 03:48 1974 #104
Ride The Tiger Jefferson Starship 05:12 1974 #84
Angel (What In The World's Come Over Us) Atlanta Rhythm Section
05:09 1975 #79
Chase The Clouds Away Chuck Mangione 04:55 1975 #96
Gimme Your Money Please Bachman-Turner Overdrive 04:45 1976 #70
St. Charles Jefferson Starship 06:42 1976 #64
Rose Of Cimarron Poco 06:45 1976 #94
Cowboy Song Thin Lizzy 05:17 1976 #77
Neon Nites Atlanta Rhythm Section 03:59 1977 #42
I'm Scared Burton Cummings 04:08 1977 #61
My Own Way To Rock Burton Cummings 04:49 1977 #74
Come In From The Rain Captain & Tennille 04:38 1977 #61
Sleepwalker The Kinks 04:05 1977 #48
I'll Always Call Your Name Little River Band 04:49 1977 #62
Indian Summer Poco 04:43 1977 #50
Spaceship Superstar Prism 04:09 1977 #82
Crazy Feelin' Jefferson Starship 03:39 1978 #54
Roll With The Changes REO Speedwagon 05:36 1978 #58
Listen To Her Heart Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers 03:03 1978 #59
In The Stone Earth, Wind & Fire 04:49 1979 #58
I Go To Rio Pablo Cruise 03:59 1979 #46
Georgy Porgy Toto 04:09 1979 #48
Lay It On The Line Triumph 04:04 1979 #86
Tom Sawyer Rush 04:35 1981 #44
Heart & Soul Exile 06:14 1981 #102
Secret Information Chilliwack 03:44 1983 #110
If I Had A Rocket Launcher Bruce Cockburn 05:00 1985 #88
Peter Gunn The Art Of Noise featuring Duane Eddy 03:58 1986 #50
Insatiable Prince & The New Power Generation 06:40 1992 #77
The timings are as per my iTunes library.
Thanks to anyone who can contribute any info for these non-top 40 songs.
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Here are listed times for a few I was able to
quickly find:
I Go To Rio - Pablo Cruise (promo)
(edited version-3:36, edited version with special LP
intro-3:58)
Neon Nites - ARS (promo) 2:44
Tom Sawyer - Rush (promo) 4:07
Rubber Bullets - 10cc 3:50
My Old School - Steely Dan 4:15
I noted the ones that I have promo copies of in the event
they're different from stock copies.
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Teenage Lament '74 by Alice Cooper is an early fade (3:18) and is on the Ace CD release Hit List 2.
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David, from your list, I'll get 45 dubs out of the following (listed times, unless otherwise noted):
Guns, Guns, Guns The Guess Who (3:26) (the intro takes some real getting used to, if you've only heard the LP version)
Rock And Roll Stew Traffic (Part 1, 3:32)
Billion Dollar Babies Alice Cooper (3:00)
Farewell Andromeda (Welcome To My Morning) John Denver (3:29)
My Old School Steely Dan (4:19 actual; see note below)
Keep Your Head To The Sky Earth, Wind & Fire (3:25)
Song For Anna (Chanson D'Anna) Herb Ohta (2:50)
Ride The Tiger Jefferson Starship (3:09)
Angel (What In The World's Come Over Us) Atlanta Rhythm Section (3:28)
Gimme Your Money Please Bachman-Turner Overdrive (actual 3:53; an early fade; however, there is a major speed difference, as the 45 runs about 5.5 seconds slower than the LP version on The Anthology CD)
St. Charles Jefferson Starship (3:50)
Cowboy Song Thin Lizzy (3:17)
I'm Scared Burton Cummings (3:37)
Come In From The Rain Captain & Tennille (3:50) ("to fade: 3:30; fade: :20" on the DJ 45 label)
Sleepwalker The Kinks (3:27)
I'll Always Call Your Name Little River Band (3:35)
Indian Summer Poco (3:35)
Crazy Feelin' Jefferson Starship ("short version" 2:30)
Listen To Her Heart Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers (2:47)
Peter Gunn The Art Of Noise featuring Duane Eddy (3:13)
The single version of "Rubber Bullets" by 10c.c. was included as a bonus track on the 2007 10c.c. 7T's/Cherry Red import reissue CD. Don't know whether it runs a snorch longer on the CD, or if the U.S. UK 45's listed (3:50) timing was inaccurate, since I don't have the 45.
The last time I dubbed my stock "Keep Your Head To The Sky" 45, it skipped, just one of two 45s I've ever had do that. Unless, of course, that's the actual edit! If not, the cutting engineer should have kept his/her nose to the lathe. (UPDATE: OMG, that is an edit at 2:29. The funny thing is, I never noticed it when I'd bought the 45 in '73, because I always heard the record in mono at the time. Listening to it in stereo, it resembles a skip because the tape was cut and spliced diagonally. It doesn't help that it's a clunky edit in the first place, but the wave form clearly shows that there's no physical skipping going on.)
I did a CD replication of the "My Old School" 45 (hey) nineteen years ago and - not wanting to have to do it over again from scratch - had to give it a fresh listen to confirm that I'd sped it up at the time to match the 45. (Yes. Whew!) In addition to the edits, the final portion on through the fade is one of those extended "Bloody Well Right"/"Don't Look Back"-type of promo "copy-and-repeat" fade endings, yielding the longest-held "oooooooo" note ever (don't try reenacting this "My Old Helium High" sendoff at home without an oxygen mask in hand.) ;)
Edited by Yah Shure on 06 July 2017 at 2:40pm
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I would also recommend checking out the Ron's Hot 100
Library thread (and clicking on the appropriate year
links)...
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There is a 45 version and also a shorter promo edit for
Roll With The Changes.
My Old School can be recreated from the LP version,
though it's tricky as John said.
The 45 version of Billion Dollar Babies is on The
Definitive Alice Cooper.
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The thread is here.
The timings listed there are the full timings of the files, which can include a few seconds of outro silence. They'll at least get you close.
I don't pretend to know the LP/45/promo 45 differences for all those songs, but I'll be happy to share what I have.
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eriejwg wrote:
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John, is the track on The Definitive Alice Cooper in mono or stereo? Both sides of my mono/stereo DJ 45 play mono, even though the stereo side's deadwax has an "-S-DJ" suffix.
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Yah Shure wrote:
John, is the track on The Definitive Alice Cooper
in mono or stereo? Both sides of my mono/stereo DJ 45
play mono, even though the stereo side's deadwax has an
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The track is in stereo. The fade begins around 2:55 and
goes to 3:01.
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Re: The Guess Who's "Guns, Guns, Guns": While you can match the edits using the LP version from Rockin' (and numerous Guess Who compilations), the U.S. RCA 45 mix differs slightly (I don't know whether the Nimbus 9 Canadian 45 used the same mix.)
The difference occurs three seconds into the 45, at the point where the "aaah" harmony vocals begin on the drum beat (or at nine seconds into the LP version.)
On the LP version, the vocals come in at a very low volume and build gradually to a crescendo. Not so on the 45, where they come in at a higher volume and stay there before ending very abruptly at the next edit point.
Those vocals start before the bass kicks in, so it isn't possible to fly them in from the album version, after they've gotten louder.
The stock 45 features one other unique difference from its parent Rockin' album: "Hi, Rockers!", the LP's final track, is a pre-SCTV Great White North-type bit set in a bar, featuring the entirety of Phil Phillips' "Sea Of Love" being played on a jukebox as a two-way inebriated conversation unfolds. The track concludes with a medley of two Guess Who originals: "Heaven Only Moved Once Yesterday" and "Don't You Want Me", segued together (the latter song would appear in a newly-recorded, slower version two years later on the Road Food LP.)
Unlike the ending on the album that segues into "Don't You Want Me," "Heaven Only Moved Once Yesterday" - all 1:59 of it - stands all alone and completely in the clear on the B-side of the "Guns" 45.
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