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another one...
anyone can tell me if the 45 actually ends at 4:59 as per Joel Whitburn, or does it end cold and run 5:08 or so like most stereo CD appearances?
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The correct running time of the 45 is (5:08) not (4:59) as stated and it does fade out.
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Grant
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Pat Downey wrote:
| The correct running time of the 45 is (5:08) not (4:59) as stated and it does fade out. |
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I have to check my 45, but mine doesn't fade out. It is the exact same as the version found on Rhino's "didn't it blow your mind" Volume one.
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Grant
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double post
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My stock 45 ends cold. PBS 20001A - 1C in deadwax.
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Grant
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By cold, you mean it's when they sing the line "Oh happy...daayyyy", just like the end of a church hymn, right? That's how my 45 ends. There's no fade.
I was six or seven when that song came out, and at the time I felt like it was the longest record I had ever heard from what I grew up with up to that point.
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My bad, Grant. "Cold" means quick and abrupt. I should've used the word "ends" instead. My stock 45 finishes up exactly as you describe it.
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The version found on Rhino 70781 is the same version as my 45 but that is definitely a fade with a piano note being held for about 4 seconds after the last words of the song which are "oh happy day" while slowly fading out.
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Here's what I was taught about describing song endings:
FADE - the song fades out, not on an "end" note
COLD - the song ends abruptly
COLD FADE - the song hits an "end" note, and that note fades out
Although I'm not familiar with this song, it sounds like Pat is describing a cold fade.
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The version in my station's library runs about 3:35. I remember editing it myself, cutting the 5:08 CD version to match the short version on some compilation LP. There was at least one cut within the song (i.e. not just faded early).
Of course, now I can't remember what album that came from - it may have been Dick Clark's 20 Years/20 Hits compilation - but I'm not sure. Was this 3:35 version released anywhere?
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Grant
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Pat Downey wrote:
| The version found on Rhino 70781 is the same version as my 45 but that is definitely a fade with a piano note being held for about 4 seconds after the last words of the song which are "oh happy day" while slowly fading out. |
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We may be getting our terms misunderstood. What you call a fade is what some others are calling a cold ending. Hmmm...sounds like a COLD FADE to me!
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Just a minor note for accuracy purposes and database consideration... The full artist credit for "Oh Happy Day", as shown on commercial 45 copies, is The Edwin Hawkins Singers featuring Dorothy Combs Morrison.
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To answer Eric_a,
The Dick Clark 20 Years/20 Hits compilation 2 LP set on
Buddah contained the full length version.
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Eric, the 2-LP set you used to construct your in-house edit was released in
1976, titled "The Best Of Buddah". I remember it well. I have one here
somewhere, and could locate/provide it if needed. To me, this GRT release
was the only appearance of this short edit, ever (besides the more recent
vintage, edited, "Best Of Buddah" db CD), and is obviously "unofficial".
Discogs has the particulars:
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Best-Of-Buddah/release/555719
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While this song appeared in the U.S. on the Buddah subsidiary label
Pavilion, this 45 was the group's only release on it. All subsequent 45
releases (none were hits, excepting their supporting role on Melanie's "Lay
Down") were on Buddah itself. "Oh Happy Day" 45s were issued on Buddah
for the rest of the world.
I know that we normally don't discuss non-U.S. 45 releases on here. But
there has long been curiosity about a possible/actual "legitimate" shorter
version existing. We already know that all U.S. 45s have a listed time
(4:59), and an actual time of (5:08).
I recently happened to spot a UK stock 45, with a listed time of (3:55) on
eBay. I was curious as to its contents, so I bought it. Here are the
particulars: Listed and actual time (3:55). Like the U.S. 45, this 45 is also
in stereo. (With machine-stamped deadwax of "201048 A//1 420"). The
song's ending is faded out earlier than the U.S. 45, but a more careful
examination will be needed to see if any other edits are present.
This UK 45 clearly doesn't match up with the lone, (3:05) "edited" version
database CD. My conclusion is that Buddah UK created this edited version
themselves, in much the same way U.S. labels would sometimes "tinker"
with singles done by UK artists, especially during the 60's, trying to
increase its hit potential over here.
So, while it's debatable whether or not this import 45's length qualifies as
an "official, label-created" version or not (I tend to think no), I thought my
findings were at least interesting enough to generate a new post for.
Edited by jimct on 06 February 2014 at 7:11am
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aaronk wrote:
COLD FADE - the song hits an "end" note, and that note
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Back in my jocking days, we usually referred to that as a
"cool" ending.
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jimct wrote:
| Unlike the U.S. 45, this 45 is in stereo. |
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Jim, are you sure about that? My U.S. stock 45 is in "dual 45" stereo.
Hykker wrote:
| Back in my jocking days, we usually referred to that as a "cool" ending. |
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In Minnesota this time of year, everything ends cold. ;)
Edited by Yah Shure on 05 February 2014 at 8:27pm
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John, I think I just got re-reminded - again - about what happens whenever I
just assume something. (Will I ever learn?) I will now go and amend my
earlier post.
Many thanks for catching that, my friend! :)
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