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Couldn't find a thread for the song, so I'll start one here. I was listening to an American Top 40 countdown from 1988 yesterday on iHeartRadio and the version of
"Do You Love Me" that they played was obviously a remix and had different vocals than the original 1962 version. I've looked on Discogs, and I didn't see any
listings for a US 45 from 1988, so I'm wondering if there was indeed one released and maybe it just hasn't been listed there yet (or maybe I missed it)? All I've
been able to find is a 12" Vinyl Single, apparently no Cassette or Promo CD Singles were issued for it, either. The 12" Single's A-Side has a Remix running 6:26 and
an Edited Version of the Remix running 2:37. The B-Side has the original version and another song, "Shake Sherrie". (I assume what I heard on AT40 was the Edited
Version of the Remix). I liked what I heard on AT40 and was just wondering if anyone knew of the remix existing anywhere on CD. I don't know if it was on the "More
Dirty Dancing" soundtrack, as I never got around to buying it, even though I had the first volume.
Also, did the remix get any airplay at Top 40 radio at the time? I don't remember it having any airplay at all, at least not here in the Philadelphia area. And if
there was no US 45 in 1988 for the song, what would be considered the 1988 Single Version, the longer remix that appears as Track 1 on the A-Side, or the original
version if it had the most airplay? I guess that last question is open for debate, since the version that appears on a single isn't necessarily always the version
that becomes a hit, but then others might say that whatever the first track is would be the "official" single version. Would like to hear any thoughts on this.
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Hi Dan. This previous thread my have some answers for you: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2771 &PN=1
Edited by Santi Paradoa on 23 August 2020 at 8:01am
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Thanks for the link Santi, but nothing comes up when I
click it on. I had a feeling there was a thread about
this song somewhere and it just didn't come up for some
reason.
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Just bumped the old thread up for you.
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Thanks for the bump, Paul! So I guess the Motown
Yesteryear 45 was the commercial single in 1988, even
though it had been released years before. Still wondering
if the edited remix was what I heard on AT40 yesterday.
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thecdguy wrote:
Thanks for the bump, Paul! So I guess the Motown Yesteryear 45 was the commercial single in 1988, even
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Yes, the Motown Yesteryear 45 was definitely the commercial release in 1988.
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I always thought the 1988 release was just a re-release of the 1962 version. Man this board really educates me sometimes and takes me to school....
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FWIW, I never heard a remix on the radio in 1988 (always the original 1962 version). I wonder if AT40 truly played a remix,
or was it one of those that was later substituted in for the AT40 replays???
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I used to pay detailed attention to Billboard's Power Pick Airplays and would
always be interested when chart columnist Michael Ellis would cite statistics on
how good a hit indicator they were. At one point an Airplay Power Pick in the
20s, 30s or 40s would GUARANTEE 100% a future top 5 placement, and
probably a #1. The first 2-1/2 years was fool-proof until "Do You Love Me"
broke the streak (for obvious reasons - no cassette single). From that point I
noticed the Power Pick was less reliable (Glenn Frey, Lisa Stansfield, etc)
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PopArchivist wrote:
I always
thought the 1988 release was just a
re-release of the 1962 version. Man
this board really educates me
sometimes and takes me to school....
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It was apparently the original '62
version on the Motown Yesteryear 45
that was re-released in 1988. It's
the 12" that had the remixes (along
with the original on the B-Side).
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I always see this song as the root of the '90s trend of withholding commercial
singles - or at least playing around with releasing only limited commercial
formats. Within two years we had the labels only releasing a 12" for 'U Can't
Touch This' or outrightly not releasing physical singles of hit songs (Bart-man,
State of the World). Other than the very occasional anomaly (Spotlight, Bon
Jovi), this is the first evidence of limited commercial single sales retarding
chart position. I wonder if there are any other earlier instances in the 80s that
I've missed.
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jebsib wrote:
I always see this song as the root of the
'90s trend of withholding commercial
singles - or at least playing around with releasing only
limited commercial
formats. Within two years we had the labels only
releasing a 12" for 'U Can't
Touch This' or outrightly not releasing physical singles
of hit songs (Bart-man,
State of the World). Other than the very occasional
anomaly (Spotlight, Bon
Jovi), this is the first evidence of limited commercial
single sales retarding
chart position. I wonder if there are any other earlier
instances in the 80s that
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In this song' s case, I always thought the lack of a
Cassette Single was because of the format still being
relatively new and the label not sure how sales of it
would perform. The 3" CD Single was also around at this
time, and that format never really took off in the US. By
1990, Cassette Singles had overtaken vinyl in sales, so
the whole "U Can't Touch This" thing was an obvious
attempt to boost sales of the album. On the other hand,
the previous 3 Top 10 Singles from "Dirty Dancing" all
had Cassette Singles for them, so you'd think there would
have been one for the Contours song as well.
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OK, I'm erroneously conflating this situation with the "Unchained Melody" vinyl
fiasco 2 years later. Here's what they said on the Hot 100 Singles Spotlight"
on July 2, 1988:
"(The Contours) record is in the Motown Yesteryear series, and only a
limited number of singles were pressed. An attempt is being made to get more
singles out, but it is complicated by the uncertain ownership of Motown, which
is reportedly about to be sold to MCA Records. If no records are pressed
soon, we may have an answer to the frequently asked question, How far can a
record go on the Hot 100 without significant sales? Getting into the top 20 will
certainly be tough.". He was right - the song eventually topped out at #11.
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American Top 40 started out with the original version for the weeks of 7/2, 7/9, and 7/16. For the show on 7/23, when the song had reached #17, they switched to the Edited Remix found on the 12" single. They continued to play the remix from this point through it's last chart week on 8/20/1988.
Edited by aaronk on 23 August 2020 at 2:19pm
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aaronk wrote:
American Top 40 started out with the
original version for the weeks of 7/2, 7/9, and 7/16.
For the show on 7/23, when the song had reached #17, they
switched to the Edited Remix found on the 12" single.
They continued to play the remix from this point through
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Interesting. Now I wonder what their source was if it
wasn't available on CD anywhere. Maybe they were just
playing a dub of the 12"?
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From listening to a handful of the '80s era shows, it sounds like AT40 used vinyl for many of the songs. I'd be curious to know how many tape dubs they received for songs that were otherwise only on vinyl. At some point in the 1990s, they often stated during the show that they used HitDisc for their music.
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my yesteryear 45 from 1988 is the same as the original
1962 version
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Just curious, Aaron...are the AT40 shows you listened to the originals? The reason I ask is because some of the
re-airings contain substituted recordings (often just better sounding ones).
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They sound original to me. None of the music on these particular
shows sound like they have been swapped out, as I can hear groove
distortion and record noise on the songs.
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It has been asked in both DYLM? threads whether the 12"
Remix (1988) appears on CD. After doing some sleuthing, I
can say that it very likely appears on one CD: a 1989 Motown
release titled Do You Love Me (Now That I Can Dance),
which is not a straight reissue of The Contours' debut album
of the same name but a then-new compilation of previous
singles. The catalog number is MOTD-5415 and it appears to
be out of print. I do not own the 12" single myself, so I
cannot compare its cut A1 ("Remix") to cut A2 ("Edited
Version") to validate whether the edit can fully be re-
created from the long version, but if someone can confirm
that, I would be happy to start trying to run down
this CD and work on the edit.
45Worlds
listing for this CD release
Discogs listing for the cassette version (CD is not listed
there):
https://www.discogs.com/The-Contours-Do-You-Love-Me-Now-
That-I-Can-Dance/release/10080633
More circumstantial evidence ... there are some references
by casual listeners to this "awful disco version"
of "Do You Love Me?" that turned up on CDs with this title
they purchased through Amazon, but due to the way they merge
their reviews, I cannot be certain which product listing, if
any, would yield the right product.
(Please forgive the broken Discogs link ... I have attempted
to correct 3 times and the forum doesn't like something
about it.)
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