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Pat Downey
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Posted: 18 May 2006 at 8:09pm \| IP Logged

I will be delisting some cd's that currently appear in the database. The ones I will be deleting are all on the Madacy label that have a Canadian address on the cd jacket which technically make them an import. Oddly, there are some Madacy releases that print a U.S. address on the cd jacket and I will be leaving those in the database.

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Posted: 07 August 2006 at 11:59am \| IP Logged

Pat, I know it is your policy to include only domestic CDs in the database, but the question that most of us wonder is "Why?"

I realize that it's not possible to list every CD on Earth that contains a top 40 hit, but why not at least list the ones that you have or ones we can provide info for?

As users of the database and music collectors, we don't care if it's an import or not. We're just looking for the correct version of the song. Period.

Perhaps your policy could be modified to include domestic CDs and "select" import titles. What I mean by "select" are those discs that contain 45 or LP versions that NO domestic CD contains.

For example, "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" by Pat Benatar has never shown up on a domestic CD in its 45 version. Why not list an import CD that has the 45 version? You don't have to list them all, but at least give us one or two sources where we can find the version we're looking for.

Going one step further, for those "45 versions" that have never been on domestic or import CDs, but DO appear in the correct version on the promo CD, perhaps you could add this info to the note by the title where you list the run times for DJ edits. For instance, "DJ CD singles run (x:xx) and contain the 45 version."

This doesn't have to appear overnight. It can be gradual additions to the database as you (and we) discover them. I know a lot of people would be very happy to see this info added to the already outstanding list you have going.

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Posted: 07 August 2006 at 2:18pm \| IP Logged

I'm all for that, and I know everyone else is too. I was puzzled by your deleting the Madacy CDs, but I didn't say anything at the time. I thought, "Why would Pat want to do all that work to make the database LESS than it is?"

Grant
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Posted: 07 August 2006 at 7:09pm \| IP Logged

I'm also for leaving certain imports like the Madacy CDs, which are all over the place in the U.S.. Go to any Target, Wal-Mart, circuit City, or Best Buy, and there they are! I have several of them, and they were at the same price point as anything domestic.

Methinks when Pat made that rule, imports weren't that easy to come by in the states without having to pay high prices or mail-order.

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Posted: 09 August 2006 at 8:25am \| IP Logged

Seems like a good idea to me, but you're going on the assumption that
everyone who uses the database is looking for the 45 version. That is
really not the case. I'm rarely using the database to find a 45 version--
unless it's much more than just an edit of an LP version. I'm usually
looking for the full length unedited version, remixes, 12" versions,
uncensored versions, etc., and Pat's database has proven invaluable to
me. So from my perspective, I would be arguing that he should also list
import CDs that have, say, 12" versions that have NEVER appeared on CD,
because they are even much more elusive than 45 versions. Which, in
essence, seems to me the reason he has opted to narrow down the
database to the domestic releases.

Not to mention, when you say "import" you're not talking about CDs from
simply one other place that's not the US. Imports stem from all over the
country, and often, there are different versions of the same album from
numerous countries.

In part, that's what also makes the message boards sort of like
"supplemental material." Someone will post asking if anyone knows if
such-and-such a version is available on an import, and within a day,
we're all on it and offering up info.

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Posted: 09 August 2006 at 9:19am \| IP Logged

budaniel, I was not assuming that we are only looking for 45 versions. I actually mentioned in my post above "45 or LP," and your point agrees with what I am saying. If a rare version of a song does not exist on a domestic CD, then why not list it? I only used the 45 version of Pat Benatar as an example. I wouldn't be opposed at all to including 12" remixes, etc.

I agree that this message board is valuable for having everyone else help find specific versions of songs, but wouldn't it be even better if the info we dug up here also made the database? I'm not saying list all the international versions of the same album, especially if there's nothing unique. But I would love to be able to do a quick search on the database to find these rare versions not available on US CDs.

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Posted: 09 August 2006 at 10:44am \| IP Logged

Missed that. sorry aaron. i seriously would love if the database could list
every version, but I was just trying to see it from Pat's point of view. It
would take tons of legwork to really build it up right...but if all of us
dedicate time and supply what we know to help him out, it could work.
i'm all for it. I know many of us already send Pat notes of incorrect
database info, so I'm pretty confident that this group of music lovers
could make it happen.

Having said that, i must say to all fellow posters here that this is by far
the best chat board to visit on the net. There's never any attitude, childish
opinionated comments, "trolling" or outright blasting of other people like
there is on any other site I visit.

aaronk
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Posted: 09 August 2006 at 11:20am \| IP Logged

Well, like I said, it could be a gradual thing. If we're talking "select" import titles, then it wouldn't have to be all-inclusive. Pat could add the info as he gets it. I surely hope he will consider this proposal.

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Posted: 09 August 2006 at 3:28pm \| IP Logged

If i'm not mistaken, wasn't Pat's original intent to concentrate on where 45 versions could be found?

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Posted: 09 August 2006 at 10:04pm \| IP Logged

I don't think so, Grant. I believe Pat's primary focus has always been to show where to find any given Top 40 hit on compact disc.

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Posted: 09 August 2006 at 10:12pm \| IP Logged

aaronk wrote:

I don't think he is, Aaron. Judging by Pat's silence on this discussion since starting this thread, I take it that he's already made up his mind.

aaronk
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Posted: 09 August 2006 at 10:50pm \| IP Logged

Pat, would you please post your thoughts on this topic?

Pat Downey
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Posted: 10 August 2006 at 6:22am \| IP Logged

My thoughts are that import cd's are readily discussed on this chat board for anyone that is interested.

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Posted: 10 August 2006 at 10:00am \| IP Logged

Domestic CDs are also readily discussed on this board, so using that logic, you might as well just do away with the database altogether. Perhaps there is another reason why you choose not to include them?

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Posted: 10 August 2006 at 10:32am \| IP Logged

LOL.....i agree.....there must be more to the logic than that.....

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Posted: 10 August 2006 at 2:03pm \| IP Logged

aaronk wrote:

BUT, not all domestic cds are. Any import cds with important tracks are mentioned on here. Perhaps Pat should start up an international database? Ah, guess not.....there's not enough hours in the day to take on something like that.....

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Posted: 10 August 2006 at 8:23pm \| IP Logged

My guess is that having SOME import CDs is not consistent with Pat's thinking and the scope of his parameters. He wishes to have ALL U.S. CDs for ALL top 40 hits (as averaged out by the mystery charts of the day). So either it would have all import CDs (and be a worldwide database) or NO import CDs (and be the U.S. database it is.) I agree with you guys that it would be nice to have select import CDs included (especially when it has a rare version not available in the US), but having SOME import CDs in the database does not seem consistent with Pat's vision of the book/database.

And I think his comment above just means that he doesn't feel a need to have import CDs in the database since we discuss our discoveries here in the chat board, and that we regulars really don't need the info in the database when it's already here.

Edited by EdisonLite on 10 August 2006 at 8:25pm

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Posted: 10 August 2006 at 11:28pm \| IP Logged

I think what drives most of us crazy is that we all have to GUESS what Pat is thinking. He won't come out and give us any good reasons why he does what he does.

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Posted: 11 August 2006 at 1:20am \| IP Logged

aaronk wrote:

He won't come out and give us any good reasons why he does what he does.

I don't think he really has to, if that's his choice. The database is his labor of love and this is his website as well, he can do whatever he wants with both things, and it doesn't change whether or not i think things should be done differently because it's not about me, and it won't stop me from asking questions about where to find things.

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Posted: 11 August 2006 at 1:42am \| IP Logged

TomDiehl1 wrote:

aaronk wrote:

He won't come out and give us any good reasons why he does what he does.

I don't think he really has to, if that's his choice. The database is his labor of love and this is his website as well, he can do whatever he wants with both things

It's hard to have that attitude when you pay money to access the database, Tom.

Especially for those of us who have spent dozens and dozens of hours posting information and corrections here that Pat INCORPORATES into his database... all without ever so much as a "thanks," that any of us can recall.

If you consider those things, you might understand where some of the frustration is coming from.

Edited by Brian W. on 11 August 2006 at 1:42am

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