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The database mentions Rhino's The Hit Years as a source for this song. Beware: that mastering has stereo reverb added so that the right channel has a hissy echo in the left, apparently in an attempt to reduce the severe stereo effect.
I found a mono mastering on the 2006 European release The Essential Nancy Sinatra, but it's apparently a fold-down of the stereo mix. I have a noisy rip of the mono 45 which has much less reverb on Nancy's vocals. Was this ever released on CD? I'm guessing not. And is it the same way on the mono version of the Sugar LP?
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On the disc Sunshine Days Vol 4 the track is in stereo with
a time listed of 2:25. Listening at high volume I do not
notice very much reverb if any on either channel. Beware my
hearing is no longer the best.
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The reverb is on her vocal. Between each line of the verses in the stereo mix, including on the mastering you have, you'll hear the echo of the last word she sang. This "sweetening" is substantially reduced on the mono 45.
At 1:40, the line "If I had a million dollars", the "If" echo is completely different on the 45, doubling the "if" (i.e. with more of a delay effect) rather than just kind of smearing everything. I'm certain it's a different mix.
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MJB50 is correct. I checked the Rhino CD and that has
the
original stereo mix but with some added stereo reverb to
"sweeten" the mix. I checked the original 1967 stereo,
and
that still has considerable mono reverb on her vocal.
In the mono 45, the backing music is totally dry. And her
vocal has NO reverb, it only has a very slight quick echo
effect (as described above) but no reverb. So this is a
dedicated mono mix.
MM
Edit: you can hear the true mono mix here:
You'll notice the slight echo on her vocal, unlike the
reverb in the stereo mixes.
Sugar
Town Mono 45 Mix
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C J Brown
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Any comments on the Varese title?
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Aww jeez!
This really is a personal favorite of mine. I need to look where I picked it up from CD. I was just commenting to one of my kids in the car that this was a fav of mine.
At least I know I have it someplace on CD. Now the quest begins on where it is. I hope I encoded enough data to my mp3 for the car to figure it out.
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C J Brown wrote:
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We did comment on Sunshine Days: Pop Classics Of The '60s Volume 4 above; it has the commonly available (and correct) stereo mix, same as on Sugar and Start Walkin'.
I'm sure the other Varese item (Rock & Roll The First 50 Years: The Late '60s 25 Top 10 Hits) is the same, since it's designated as stereo in the database.
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To further confuse things, Rhino's "The Hit Years", originally issued in 1986
(my copy) does not have the extra reverb - the song sounds the same as on
"Start Walkin'". Perhaps it's the remastered "The Hit Years" that contains this
extra reverb.
To tell the differences in the two THY CDs, on "How Does That Grab You
Darlin'?", the original issue of the THY CD has the instrumental track centre,
Nancy singing right and the horns left, whereas the remastered version has the
instrumental track right, Nancy centre, horns left. Don't know how many other
songs were remastered, but HDTGYD was the one that stood out when I first
heard my friend's remastered copy.
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Sorry MJB50 - I did not know or notice your May 11 comment
qas directed at the Varese title.
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