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I know it was never released as a single, and the album
version is explicit, but has anyone ever come across a
clean version, even a custom edit, that is a clean version
of Tough Guys by REO Speedwagon?
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eriejwg wrote:
I know it was never released as a single, and the album
version is explicit, but has anyone ever come across a
clean version, even a custom edit, that is a clean version
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MTV/VH1 Classic played it unedited. Depending on your market, the "S word"
wasn't exactly a dealbreaker, and playing songs unedited often gave rock
stations credibility(one station played NIN's "Closer" unedited").
So, I would say that there probably wasn't an edited version made, as it was
strictly confined to AOR radio as an album cut.
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On a related note, does anyone out there remember when or
why radio got ultra-conservative with regards to an
occasional cuss-word on AOR?
I understand why CHR, with its mother/daughter coalition,
would like to avoid certain words - but AOR & Classic
Rock, with its predominately adult male demo never had a
problem with an occasional "bullshit", etc., when it was
in proper context with the record.
I just don't see why a Classic Rock station has to NOW
play a radio edit version of Pink Floyd's "Money"...
Thoughts?
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I think it's a couple of things causing stations to play language edits on AOR.
1) I'm in the buckle of the Bible belt, so if if you're playing all the "heathen" rockers, you better play squeaky clean lyrics.
2) People seem more trigger-happy about complaining to the FCC than they were 50 years ago... and nobody wants a fine if they can help it.
3) Many large broadcast corporations pool their music libraries for their stations across the country, and if a rock song might end up on a station targeted at a more sensitive demo, might as well put in the censored copy for everybody to play and avoid the risk of error.
I've heard stations here play songs unedited, then edited, then go back to unedited. It can depend on who's in charge locally, or who's in charge nationally.
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Thanks for your insight, Gene!
Andy
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I'd also like to add that it started 20 years ago this coming February, when the
"Wardrobe Malfunction" occurred at the Super Bowl. The government cracked
on what they perceived to be "indecent" programming, and Bush signed a bill
in 2006 that hiked FCC fines.
By late 2004, I began hearing "Money" and "Jet Airliner" in edited forms, and
"The Bitch Is Back" disappeared for a time.
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To expand on Gene's excellent post, terrestrial radio has never
had more competition. Satellite radio, internet/streaming and
listeners ability to carry their own music library on their phones
all compete for ear-time. Playing songs with
explicit/objectionable lyrics runs the risk of alienating some
listeners. Why potentially turn off some listeners just to be "cool"
to a handful of others? Those that find the lyric(s) objectionable
may likely go elsewhere. But playing a "safe" edit/remix of a
song probably won't offend those that may prefer the unedited
version to the extent that they'd turn off that station. It's all about
risk vs. reward.
Today FCC complaints are not as big of a concern to radio
ownership as the loss of listeners & revenue.
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radiofan16 wrote:
I'd also like to add that it started 20 years ago this coming February, when the
"Wardrobe Malfunction" occurred at the Super Bowl. The government cracked
on what they perceived to be "indecent" programming, and Bush signed a bill
in 2006 that hiked FCC fines.
By late 2004, I began hearing "Money" and "Jet Airliner" in edited forms, and
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Yeah, it all seemed to have started about then. Oddly, most classic rock stations seem to play the unedited version of "Money For Nothing"
still.
I wonder if another factor here is simply that rock isn't considered cool or edgy anymore. Plenty of obscenities in rap music.
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Hykker wrote:
Yeah, it all seemed to have started about then. Oddly, most classic rock
stations seem to play the unedited version of "Money For Nothing"
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Not in Philly. Sometime in the last decade they began playing the full version,
but with word reversed.
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A few years ago, my local oldies station went so far as to censor songs where the lyrics weren't really dirty, but could
possibly be misheard as such! This included "Legs" by ZZ Top ("Sure I got to have her" which sounds like "S**t I got to
have her") and "Sweet Home Alabama" by Lynyrd Skynyrd where they bleeped out the very ending lyrics of "Montgomery's got
the answer" which I guess could sound like "G** Damn"?!? They have since come to their senses and gone back to airing
them as is.
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Paul Haney wrote:
A few years ago, my local oldies station went so far as
to censor songs where the lyrics weren't really dirty, but could
possibly be misheard as such! This included "Legs" by ZZ Top ("Sure I got to
have her" which sounds like "S**t I got to
have her") and "Sweet Home Alabama" by Lynyrd Skynyrd where they bleeped
out the very ending lyrics of "Montgomery's got
the answer" which I guess could sound like "G** Damn"?!? They have since
come to their senses and gone back to airing
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The ZZ Top lyric is listed is "Said I got to have her", but most people think they
put that there because of the record company, when he's clearly singing the
S-word.
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