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I’m trying to determine (compile) info for most of the national radio countdowns that aired (specifically what years each ran, and which chart was used for the countdown).
I used the Charis Music site and Wikipedia as a basis (and some googling). Can anyone help fill in the blanks (and correct any wrong info)?
I believe all are Casey Kasem-hosted except where noted.
MAIN YEARS 1970-1995:
AT40 - 7/70-8/88 - Billboard Hot 100
AT40 (Shadoe Stevens years) - 8/88-1/95 - Billboard Hot 100 thru 11/23/91; BB Top 40 Radio Monitor (Hot 100 Airplay): 11/30/91-12/19/92; then BB Top 40/Mainstream chart until end
CASEY AFTER "AT40”:
Casey’s Top 40 - 1/21/89-3/98 - R&R CHR (then "CHR/pop" from ’94 on, when their CHR split into CHR/pop & CHR/Rhythmic)
Casey’s Countdown (1st top 25, later top 20) (3 hours) - 5/92-3/98 - R&R AC
Casey’s Hot 20 (3 hours)- 11/94-3/98 - R&R Hot AC
(These all ended in 3/98 when Casey brought AT40 back)
REBIRTH OF AT40 (Casey) after Shadoe:
AT40 (CHR) - 3/28/98-1/3/04 - R&R Top 40/Mainstream thru '09 (except 10/00-8/01 - media base); then mediabase Mainstream top 40 starting 2009
AT40 (Hot AC) - 2004 (or 1998?) until when - R&R Hot AC chart, then official Mediabase Hot AC chart
AT20 (AC) - 3/98-3/20/04 - R&R AC except 2000-01 & early 2003 on: Mediabase chart; then show reduced to:
AT10 (AC) - 3/04-7/4/09 - Mediabase chart; 2005-8/19/06: R&R AC, then Mediabase or unpublished chart
AT20 (Hot AC) - 3/98-7/4//09 - R&R Hot AC except 2000-01 Mediabase chart
RYAN SEACREST:
AT40 (CHR) - 1/10/04-present / house Mediabase chart
AT40 (Hot AC) - 12/8/04-present / house Mediabase chart
DICK CLARK:
National Music Survey - ’81-'85 - Cashbox until 3/12/82; then R&R AC
National Music Survey (hosted by Bill St. James & Charlie Tuna after Clark) - 85 until when? - R&R AC
Countdown America (also included other hosts) - '83? - 86? (at least) - R&R CHR
Possibly: Countdown America (AC version) - years? - R&R?
RICK DEES:
Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 (CHR version) - 9/83-now - Cashbox thru 1/12/85; then R&R -which chart?, then their own chart
Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 Hot AC - years? - R&R Hot AC?
Rick Dees Weekly Top 30 (AC version) - years? - R&R AC?
OTHER NON-CASEY:
Weekly Top 30 (Mark Elliott) - 6/30/79-12/81 - averages sales surveys of the nation’s leading music magazines
(Continuing where the above chart left off):
Weekly Music Magazine (Charlie Van Dyke) - 1/9/82-12/25/02 - their own chart
Rockin’ America: Top 30 Countdown (Scott Shannon) - 84-92 - their own chart until 8/87, then R&R CHR to 1990; then self-published chart after name change to Scott Shannon All Request Top 30 Countdown
Top 40 Satellite Survey (Dan Ingram) - mid-80s (at least 6/84-5/86) - chart?
Hitlist Live with Elvis Duran & Elliot Segal (or Patty Steele?) - mid ‘90s - chart?
I know there’s quite a few question marks here. But hope you guys can fill these in. Thanks.
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Dan Ingram did one in the mid-ish 80s, if I'm not mistaken it was called the Dan Ingram Satellite Survey. Only heard it once while I was on a road
trip. One of the songs skipped so I doubt it was actually delivered by satellite.
In the mid-late 90s our station ran one hosted by Elvis Duran and somebody else. There was some sort of falling out, either between the 2 hosts or
between them and the syndicator and the show was abruptly discontinued. Too bad, it was a good show.
There was a show called the National Album Countdown I recall hearing in the mid-ish 70s where they counted down the top 20? 30? LPs, playing one
track from each. Despite the focus on albums, it didn't seem to be targeted towards AOR since albums of other genres were included. No idea who
hosted it.
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The first AT40 began in July 1970. If I recall what I read somewhere, it debuted on the July 4th weekend that year.
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I was listening to the radio one day in 1986 and there was some countdown going on with a host whose voice I had never heard before and I
remember hearing him say something about John Cougar Mellencamp's "R.O.C.K. In The U.S.A." falling from 1 to 13. I wonder if this was what I
heard. I don't know what source he used for the countdown, but it obviously wasn't Billboard, Cashbox or Radio & Records since the Mellencamp
song didn't go to #1 on any of those charts. And I don't think it was a local countdown either, as I most likely would have recognized the
voice with the amount of time I spent listening to the radio back then. A year before, I heard another countdown where Daryl Hall & John
Oates' "Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid" fell from 10 to 20 and after mentioning the 10-notch drop, the host said something to the effect
of "Some Things ARE Better Left Unsaid". The Ingram countdown may have been what I heard in both cases. I do remember that a few weeks after
the Mellencamp song was #1, I never heard the program or his voice again.
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Hykker wrote:
In the mid-late 90s our station ran one hosted by Elvis
Duran and somebody else. There was some sort of falling
out, either between the 2 hosts or
between them and the syndicator and the show was abruptly
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I think you may be referring to Hitlist Live with Elvis
Duran and Patty Steele? KDWB used to broadcast it here in
Mpls during the mid 90s (it either started out as Adam
Curry's
Top 30 Hitlist, or changed over to it after Hitlist
Live...I don't remember).
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Scott Shannon hosted Scott Shannon's Rockin' America: The Top 30 Countdown from 1984 to 1992.
The show used their own charts from 1984 to the weekend of August 28–30, 1987.
The show used the R&R CHR Top 30 chart from the weekend of September 4–6, 1987 to 1990.
The show was renamed Scott Shannon's All Request Top 30 Countdown in 1990, and reverted to a self-published chart.
(All info and dates from Wikipedia.)
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AT40 (Shadoe Stevens era):
Billboard Hot 100: 8/13/88 - 11/23/91
Billboard Top 40 Radio Monitor (Hot 100 Airplay): 11/30/91 - 12/19/92
Billboard Top 40/Mainstream Chart: 1/9/93 - 1/28/95 (final "Shadoe" show)
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The Weekly Top 30 with Mark Elliott premiered on 6/30/79. The countdown was based on calculations from the "countdown
computer" which "averages sales surveys of the nation's leading music magazines." I don't recall if they ever actually
stated what those magazines were (I highly doubt it). I remember enjoying the show when I remembered to catch it back in the
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thecdguy wrote:
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The first AT40 began in July 1970. If I recall what I read somewhere, it debuted
on the July 4th weekend that year.
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Oh of course. My brain must have been in another universe when I wrote that!
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Paul Haney, thanks for your answers. Do you know if Weekly Music Magazine
(which continued on the week after Weeklty Top 30 ended) also continued
with the same basis?
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EdisonLite wrote:
Paul Haney, thanks for your answers. Do you know if Weekly Music Magazine (which continued on
the week after Weeklty Top 30 ended) also continued with the same basis? |
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Sorry Gordon, I don't recall ever hearing Weekly Music Magazine.
FWIW, I used to run the Countdown America show hosted by Dick Clark during my weekend DJ show on KANO-AM in Anoka,
Minnesota. I think most of those records ended up in the dumpster. Wish I would've had the foresight to take them
home with me. They were fun shows to listen to.
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I think the annual Opus countdown shows are also worth mentioning. IIRC, these only aired once a year and
counted down the Top 100 songs. Not sure what source(s) they used or exactly how many years they ran. I
vividly remember listening to them in the late 70s and very early 80s for sure.
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995wlol wrote:
I think you may be referring to Hitlist Live with Elvis
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It was 2 guys, I think the other one might have been named Elliot. Somewhere I saved one of the countdown shows, but a
quick search didn't turn it up.
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I asked a collector about this thread. He is having trouble getting signed up to post here himself, so I'm relaying what he told me:
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The Weekly Top 30 and Weekly Music Magazine used their own chart. Rockin' America Top 30 Countdown I believe used a modified version of R&R (likely CHR). Dick Clark NMS's switched to R&R from Cashbox on 1983-03-12. I believe the 1998-2009 Casey shows (AT40, AT20, AT10) used R&R and later Mediabase? I believe AT40 Ryan uses Mediabase.
Rick Dees used Cashbox until 1-12-1985 and switch to Radio & Records for the chart. Later on they would use something else to eventually their own chart. |
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I updated my original post above based on answers I've gotten on here so far
and on AT40 Fun & Games. There's a LOT of new info there for those who are
interested. But there are still many unanswered questions, so I
hope some people can answer some of those.
Part of my asking these questions is that I'm hoping to get recordings for some
of these countdowns (and I already have some). But before I do, I want to
know what years the countdowns ran - and what chart was the basis for the
countdown - before making any decisions.
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I thought I'd sum up the remaining questions here, since this is much shorter:
REBIRTH OF AT40 (Casey) after Shadoe:
AT40 (Hot AC) - 2004 (or 1998?) until when - R&R Hot AC chart, then official Mediabase Hot AC chart
DICK CLARK:
National Music Survey (hosted by Bill St. James & Charlie Tuna after Clark) - 85 until ? - R&R AC
Countdown America (also included other hosts) - '83? - 86? (at least) - R&R CHR
Possibly: Countdown America (AC version) - years? - R&R?
RICK DEES
Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 (CHR version) - 9/83-now - Cashbox thru 1/12/85; then R&R -which chart?, then their own chart
Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 Hot AC - years? - R&R Hot AC?
Rick Dees Weekly Top 30 (AC version) - years? - R&R AC?
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Gordon, I know for certain that the Dick Clark's Countdown America used the Radio & Records CHR chart at
least during the times I played it on the air in 1986. IIRC, Clark did both a CHR and AC version of the
countdown (at least for awhile) and I believe that he used the R&R charts for both, but I can't be 100% sure
without hearing some examples of those show(s).
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Thanks Paul. I've updated the lists above.
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BTW, does anyone know how I can format my posts above to go all the way to
the right and not stop at about 5"? I know this was discussed elsewhere last
year, and I think we figured out the reason why. I don't recall if there's any way
the original poster can correct for this. I think the listings above would be
easier to read if I could fix that.
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@EdisonLite, when editing a post, stretch the message box so there are no line breaks where you don't want them.
Depending on how long your paragraphs are, you may need to greatly reduce the size of the text in your browser temporarily.
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Hykker wrote:
995wlol wrote:
I think you may be
referring to Hitlist Live with Elvis
Duran and Patty Steele? |
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It was 2 guys, I think the other one might have been named
Elliot. Somewhere I saved one of the countdown shows,
but a quick search didn't turn it up. |
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I don't recall the show but this must be Elliot Segal --
he and Elvis hosted the Z100 Morning Zoo together in the
'90s, before Elliot went to Washington - he's been doing
mornings on DC101 for decades.
Hykker wrote:
Dan Ingram did one in the mid-ish 80s, if
I'm not mistaken it was called the Dan Ingram Satellite
Survey. Only heard it once while I was on a road
trip. One of the songs skipped so I doubt it was actually
delivered by satellite. |
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Ha! Yes - it was the Top 40 Satellite Survey but at least
some stations received it on vinyl. I have shows ranging
from June 1984 to May 1986, so it ran at least that long.
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