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Steve Carras
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This is one of many "banned" edits that their performers
just won't allow,same with so many others.Just wish that
the owners would release it.I still like both album and
singles of all BTO songs, don't get me wrong, but I'm just
a completist..:)
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Not sure what you mean by "banned edits the performers won't allow". Are you referring to the 3:13 promo edit?
Most promo edits, regardless of artist were never intended to be made available to the public in the first place, simply a method to make a
song more attractive to radio, whether for length, language, maybe a hotter mix.
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Nowadays, Sirius, iHeart and other companies play the LP
versions pretty much for the older songs as it's what the
public is used to as they stream those songs.
There are still radio edits for current and recent songs,
offered through subscription services like Promo Only.
I have always preferred the single/45 versions and radio
edits for the older songs. After all, isn't that why we are
here on this forum to discover where to find them? :)
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Steve Carras
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Hykker wrote:
Not sure what you mean by "banned edits
the performers won't allow". Are you referring to the
3:13 promo edit?
Most promo edits, regardless of artist were never
intended to be made available to the public in the first
place, simply a method to make a
song more attractive to radio, whether for length,
language, maybe a hotter mix.
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I was being facetious,I mean the groups never allow the
singles edits... the hit single edit did exist
originally, in spring 1974.
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The commercial 45 was the same length as the LP.
DJ promos contained the LP version and the 3:13 edit.
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LunarLaugh wrote:
The commercial 45 was the same length
as the LP.
DJ promos contained the LP version and the 3:13 edit.
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thanks.
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eriejwg wrote:
Nowadays, Sirius, iHeart and other
companies play the LP versions pretty much for the older songs
as it's what the public is used to as they stream those songs.
There are still radio edits for current and recent songs,
offered through subscription services like Promo Only.
I have always preferred the single/45 versions and radio
edits for the older songs. After all, isn't that why we are
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My take is that there are several issues at play regarding single
edits:
One is that many of the programmers at those outlets featuring
older music may not even be aware of the existence of single
edits. Most may not have been alive or are old enough to
remember when the song was a hit so they never heard it back
in the day. For some it may also be a combination of don't know
& don't care.
Another factor is the availability of the single edits digitally or on
CD. If a single edit is not readily accessible many programmers
will just use the most easily available source rather than search
out the original single hit version or go to the bother of acquiring
a disc dub. Even when a single edit is available on CD they
often choose to ignore it.
Too many music programmers are musically unwise today. Not
to mention some are running multiple channels or radio stations
and do not have time to dig into the weeds to be sure they are
using the correct version of a song that was actually played on
the radio when it became a hit. Some programmers just may not
care. After all, how many people are TRULY knowledgeable
about multiple genres of music?
Then there are a some programmers that do not believe in
single edits and feel that the album versions are the only ones
that should be aired. Some may have roots in album rock radio
where there was always a distain for single edits.
Those are but a few of the reasons why single edits may not be
played.
A local AM station in my area airs a syndicated oldies format.
They play the LP versions of Spinning Wheel and 25 or 6 To 4.
Annoying.
Edited by CountryPD on 23 February 2025 at 1:28pm
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Couldn't agree more, Ken. It's funny, until I discovered
this forum in 2007, I always knew that some songs were
shorter than what I had in my collection. And, thanks to
the collectors input in all of the discussions here over
the last 18 years, I now knew where to find the single
versions and radio edits I didn't already have.
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There were also stations that played BOTH single edits and
longer album versions. My local favorite, KDWB, would
often play the single version during the daytime and the
album version on nights and/or on weekends.
Edited by Paul Haney on 23 February 2025 at 6:57am
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I think you've all hit the nail on the head. I've
thought about this often...while most of us here are
quite familiar with single versions/edits from the
'70s/'80s, etc., how many of today's music fans would
even remember them?
I've done some DJ work the last few years (mostly
ballroom parties but I do throw some top 40 dance songs
in there as well). Sometimes I'll play a version of a
song that was unique to the 45 and hasn't been heard on
the radio in years. Most people probably wouldn't even
notice that the version of the song is a bit different,
or pay that much attention to it.
It seems for many, music is just sort of there and they
don't pay much attention to the mix (or even lyrics, for
that matter) as I do - and most of us here.
Too bad really.
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Really this is a topic for another thread, but I'll just add: Another factor is that for various reasons, especially in the '90s, if a casual listener heard a song they liked on the radio, then they may well have bought the album, and whatever version was on the album was what they ended up thinking of as the hit. It was the hit for them, in their car or apartment or whatever.
My girlfriend, who was a teenager in the '90s, pointed this out when I was ranting about how album versions have completely taken over and how people don't even remember that the single/radio versions even existed. I wish I could remember which song it was that set me off. It was one where the hit was a nice tight banger, and the LP version was comparatively dull and plodding.
Sometimes the album would be quietly reissued with the hit version added or replacing the original, so not everyone has the same experience for a particular song.
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There is an interesting phenomenon where, in certain cases, whatever versions were most widely available on CD have now become the one most familiar
because that is what has been on the radio since CDs (and audio files sourced from CDs) replaced analog sources in radio broadcasting. "Hungry Like
The Wolf" is a good example. The "correct" US single mix sounds almost nothing like the UK mix that has been played on the airwaves, in movies and TV
shows (not to mention Duran Duran compilations) and is basically now become the canonical "correct" version.
Edited by LunarLaugh on 23 February 2025 at 9:53pm
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