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jimct
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Posted: 08 June 2006 at 10:55pm \| IP Logged

My promo 45 has the listed and actual (7:07) (ALBUM VERSION) on one side, while the other side has the (EDITED VERSION), with a listed run time of (3:59), but actual run time of (4:04), same as the stock 45 version.

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Posted: 12 June 2006 at 2:09pm \| IP Logged

jimct wrote:

My promo 45 has the listed and actual (7:07) (ALBUM
VERSION) on one side, while the other side has the (EDITED VERSION), with a
listed run time of (3:59), but actual run time of (4:04), same as the stock 45
version.

I have two, one with Stereo/Mono of the edit and one of the Long/Short
version, the short edit running about 4:04. I just made my CD edited version
but I had to lift the front from the promo single since the CD version has a
strings overlap on the front.

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Posted: 12 June 2006 at 2:41pm \| IP Logged

BillyDee, welcome to the Board! You're gonna fit right in with us. Didn't know about that Stereo/mono edit promo 45; outstanding job by you. Pat & Co. do an unbelievably fantastic job of documenting what no one else can or will, when it comes to what versions are on which CDs, and what was put out in the first place on regular/promo 45s and/or promo CD singles. I look forward to your help, as I'm the "unofficial" promo guy.

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Posted: 12 June 2006 at 4:31pm \| IP Logged

I was able to cleanly recreate the exact edited stock 45 from the LP version...

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Posted: 12 June 2006 at 4:37pm \| IP Logged

yes, grant's version is very good....

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Posted: 12 June 2006 at 7:17pm \| IP Logged

jimct wrote:

BillyDee, welcome to the Board! You're gonna fit right in
with us. Didn't know about that Stereo/mono edit promo 45; outstanding
job by you. Pat & Co. do an unbelievably fantastic job of documenting
what no one else can or will, when it comes to what versions are on which
CDs, and what was put out in the first place on regular/promo 45s and/or
promo CD singles. I look forward to your help, as I'm the "unofficial"
promo guy.

I've been a radio guy since my high school days in the mid 70's (a small
330 watt community FM station located at a local high school in Fairfield
County, Connecticut gave me my start). I later went on to do engineering
for a handful of AM's and FM's including a local 50KW FM. I've been
hooked on getting correct single and/or promo versions for a long time.
Part of it is the collector's "bug" in me and part of it is to use them on my
oldies webcast.

On the occasions I can't get a hold of a promo or single edit I'll use old
airchecks as references and I've lucked out on a few occasions.

Thanks for the welcome, JimCT and I hope I can prove to be a resource to
the other enthusiasts here.

Bill

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Posted: 12 June 2006 at 9:49pm \| IP Logged

Grant:

Which CD containing "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft" did you use as the basis for your homemade 45 edit?

Bill:

Welcome to the board!

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Posted: 12 June 2006 at 10:09pm \| IP Logged

Todd Ireland wrote:

Grant:

Which CD containing "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft" did you use as the basis for your homemade 45 edit?

Passage

Bill: Welcome!

BillyDee203
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Posted: 13 June 2006 at 6:35am \| IP Logged

Thanks to all for the welcomes

This board is a great resource, as is Pat's wonderful work with the database.
I still find my 10th edition one of the handiest books I've ever owned.

Now, if we could make the online database "portable" that would be great.

Best to all,
Bill

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Posted: 01 July 2007 at 3:17pm \| IP Logged

Bringing back an old post --

Yesterday, a friend asked me to make a 45 edit of "Occupants" and like Grant, I used the "Passage" CD, but unlike Grant, I couldn't duplicate the 45 from this version. I got it exactly like the 45 with the one exception that there are string overdubs in the 4-second intro of the song (as Billy Dee pointed out.)

Grant, do you mean you took the intro from the 45 and took the rest from the "Passage" CD? If not, how did you edit the "Passage" CD and get a non-string intro for your simulated single version?

Also, does anyone know of any import Carpenters CDs that use the single mix of this song? And has anyone researched them all and found out there weren't any?

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EdisonLite wrote:

Also, does anyone know of any import Carpenters CDs that use the single mix of this song? And has anyone researched them all and found out there weren't any?

The true 45 version appears on the ultra-expensive Carpenters Japanese Singles box from 2006. This set contains all the unique Carpenters 45 versions, including Please Mr. Postman, Ticket To Ride, I Won't Last A Day Without You, etc.

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Roscoe wrote:

EdisonLite wrote:

Also, does anyone know of any import Carpenters CDs that use the single mix of this song? And has anyone researched them all and found out there weren't any?

That ultra-expensive box set contains a DISC DUB of "Calling Occupants." No kidding. Aaron and I created a much better 45 edit using a 45 copy for the intro, then editing down the album version. (Though I'm still not 100% convinced the 45 is not a very, very slightly different mix... some of the stereo separation seems to be ever so slightly different than the album version.)

"Santa Claus is Comin' to Town" is also a disc dub on that box set. Aaron did a better 45 dub of that as well, using a sealed various artists Christmas comp I obtained from Ebay.

The boxed set does contain the true 45 version of "Please Mr. Postman," though, from tape.

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Posted: 02 July 2007 at 2:14am \| IP Logged

Yes, I just read that review in Amazon and you beat me by a couple minutes. There are 4 disc dubs on that box set. That's disappointing. I bet the US vaults have the single mix of "Occupants".

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Posted: 02 July 2007 at 6:56am \| IP Logged

Is there a known reason why Richard Carpenter has constantly tinkered with the original 45 versions of the Carpenters hits?

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Posted: 02 July 2007 at 9:28am \| IP Logged

I heard that he was unhappy with them.

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Posted: 03 July 2007 at 10:44pm \| IP Logged

Yes, it is also my understanding that Richard has never been pleased with the sound quality of the Carpenters' original hit mixes.

Incidentally, if the U.S. vaults do contain the single version of "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft", I'm stunned that Richard and A&M always pass over the shorter, more radio-friendly single length in favor of the much longer and drawn out 7:07 version.

Edited by Todd Ireland on 03 July 2007 at 10:54pm

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Posted: 04 July 2007 at 9:58am \| IP Logged

... especially when they'd likely be able to include another song on whatever compilation they're working on, with the extra space that would be added.

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Posted: 04 July 2007 at 10:45am \| IP Logged

Yep, Gordon. Not to mention that "Calling Occupants..." was not a very high charting single (#32 peak in Billboard), nor did it really have the "classic" Carpenters sound. One has to wonder why Richard and A&M keep electing to release the seven+ minute version of a song that was never all that popular to begin with. I would think the shorter single version would do just fine in many CD buyer's eyes (and ears), yet it's the album version that keeps popping up on compilation after compilation after compilation.

This all leads me to think that the master tape(s) containing the U.S. single mix must be lost...

Edited by Todd Ireland on 04 July 2007 at 10:51am

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Posted: 04 July 2007 at 1:27pm \| IP Logged

The other thought is that maybe Richard considers this an artistic piece that shouldn't be edited. There are some songs, I feel, that are rather lengthy -- Paradise by the Dashboard Light, American Pie, Bohemian Rhapsody -- that should exist only as the artistic expressions they were meant to be. Maybe Richard feels this is his 7-minute epic.

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Interesting anomoly I've discovered: The promo version (stereo) of "Calling Occupants" has about a 1 1/2 second longer fade than the commercial 45.

The fades are identical on both until the middle of the final line, "we are your friends," then the commercial version begins fading faster than the promo version, and it dumps a good second and a half earlier than the promo. The final four orchestral notes from the promo, that "da-da da-da," are not on the commercial 45 at all, at least not on the two copies I listened to.

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