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With the recent posts about the single versions of Billy Joel's "Piano Man" and Air Supply's "Every Woman In the World" being released on import CD, it gave me the idea that we should have a thread for single versions that are available ONLY on import CDs, since obtaining single versions is of interest to many of us. As I think of cases, I'll list them here. If others can contribute to the list, it would be greatly appreciated. One that comes to mind is:
BORDERLINE - MADONNA - Japan's 40 CD single box set
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The full-length single version of Jimmy Ruffin's "Hold On To My Love" is available on "25 Years of Rock 'n Roll: 1980", released in the UK. (I note this because the only US CD release of this song is the shorter version that was available only on promo singles.)
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Thanks for the heads up on the full-length single version of Jimmy Ruffin's "Hold on to My Love", EdisonLite. I'm amazed this early '80s Top 10 hit is still so rarely issued on CD after all these years!
It's also incredible to me the 45 versions of many hits by Madonna, a singles driven artist, are so hard to find on CD. Brian W. went into beautiful detail documenting where to find nearly all of them in his thread titled "Madonna - The 45 Versions on CD" found elsewhere on the message board. In addition to "Borderline", the Japanese CD single box set EdisonLite refers to is also the only place you can find the 45 versions of "Angel", "True Blue", Papa Don't Preach", and "La Isla Bonita" on CD. If you're fortunate enough to find a copy of this rare box set though, be prepared to shell out... well, a fortune. It will likely cost you upwards of over $400 for a used set!
By the way, I would also be interested in locating '50s, '60s, and '70s Top 40 hits that have never appeared on a U.S. CD release, but have been issued on an import disc. If you're not sure if a song has ever been released on a U.S. disc, you can check on the "Top 40 Hits still not on cd in the US" message thread. All I ask is, please no references to bootleg or "gray area" CDs... only legitimate CD releases.
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<Thanks for the heads up on the full-length single version of Jimmy Ruffin's "Hold on to My Love", EdisonLite. I'm amazed this early '80s Top 10 hit is still so rarely issued on CD after all these years! >
When I worked on Rhino's "Radio Daze: Pop Hits of the '80s", this was one of the songs we tried to get (and one of my top 5 wants!) but the licensing department was unable to license it. (I was never given a reason why.)
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Todd writes: <the Japanese CD single box set EdisonLite refers to is also the only place you can find the 45 versions of "Angel", "True Blue", Papa Don't Preach", and "La Isla Bonita" on CD.>
This statement got me curious about "La Isla Bonita" and "True Blue" (because I don't remember any differences) so I went back to the original Brian W. post that you referenced. He indicates no difference for "La Isla Bonita", and for "True Blue" he indicates that his blue vinyl and black vinyl 45s are the same as the LP version, and that the shorter 3:59 mystery version only appears on the Japanese box set and as a LISTING in Joel Whitburn's book (which Brian thinks may be a typo.) So can anyone confirm any differences for these 2 songs between the 45 pressings and LP pressings, and if so, what? (early fades?) Does anyone have the promo 45 of "True Blue", and is that where the short version actually appeared?
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EdisonLite:
Let me just say, I LOVED the Radio Daze: Pop Hits of the '80s series and was so disappointed that Rhino discontinued the series after five volumes. These discs are still the only place you can find certain MOR (middle-of-the-road) Top 40 hits, especially in 45 version form, and the sound quality is outstanding! "Hold on to My Love" would've been a nice addition on one of those CDs.
Is there any chance Rhino could reconsider resurrecting the Radio Daze series? Used copies of the first five volumes often sell for between $20-$30 each, which is pretty high for various artist CDs. This tells me there must still be a demand!
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EdisonLite wrote:
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Yes, the short version of "True Blue" is the U.S. radio edit, and also the single version in much of the world. Papa Don't Preach was the LP version on the US 45, at least on my copy, though the Japanese CD3 box also uses the radio edit.
"La Isla Bonita"... mmm, as far as I know, the 45 used the LP version. There was a remix/edit, but I think it was only available on the flip side of the promo 45. There were three remix/edits from the "True Blue" album that have never shown up on CD, for the title track (which oddly was not on the promo, only the commercial 12"), "Open Your Heart," and "La Isla Bonita."
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EdisonLite wrote:
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And he is correct... While doing a very quick scan of Brian's "Madonna - The 45 Versions on CD" thread earlier today, I misread his entry on "La Isla Bonita". He says the Japanese "CD Single Collection" box set is the only place to get the Instrumental Remix B-side on CD, not the 45 version itself which of course is identical to the LP version.
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<EdisonLite:
Let me just say, I LOVED the Radio Daze: Pop Hits of the '80s series and was so disappointed that Rhino discontinued the series after five volumes.>
Thanks, Todd. Believe me, I was disappointed, too. We had a listing for the next 5 volumes, which initially were going to be released 3 months after the first 5. Then it didn't happen, but a year later, we tried getting it going again. Then I found out it wasn't happening because Rhino couldn't license enough of the "A" songs.
<Is there any chance Rhino could reconsider resurrecting the Radio Daze series? >
It is highly unlikely. I've approached them about this every year. But I am getting a little interest from another label so we'll see what happens.
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The label wouldn't be Varese Sarabande, would it? I could see them doing a series like Radio Daze.
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<The label wouldn't be Varese Sarabande, would it? I could see them doing a series like Radio Daze.>
Though I've done a few projects with them, No it's not them. Sorry, I can't really say what label until something becomes definite.
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Hey, EdisonLite - you can definitely add my name to the
list of fans of Rhino's "Radio Daze" series as well
(didn't realize you were involved w/ that!). Interesting
this came up here, as I just recently started adding
those CDs to my collection (guess that means I'm among
the ones helping to fuel that continued demand, as Todd
suggested, lol)...
I remember when the series first hit stores in '95. I've
always been a fan of '70s and '80s V/A compilations
(K-tel, Ronco, etc.), especially when they don't include
the same old tired, recycled top 10 hits - and the "Radio
Daze" series clearly featured many rarities. But as a fan
of the cassette format, I was most disappointed when I
saw that the label was Rhino. That's because in the early
'90s, Rhino began a practice of always scr*wing us
cassette buyers by leaving off several tracks on the tape
versions of their collections, which I found extremely
irritating. So for that reason, there was about a
five-year period during the mid to late '90s where I
basically boycotted anything from Rhino, and thus I
passed on the "Radio Daze" series at the time...
But then after buying Pat's book for the first time last
Fall, while looking up many of my more obscure personal
faves from the early '80s ("Three Times in Love" by Tommy
James, "Who'll Be the Fool Tonight" by Larsen-Feiten
Band, "King of the Hill" by Oak, among others), it became
obvious that the "Radio Daze" series was well worth
re-examining. Of course, some additional research quickly
revealed that the entire series was now out-of-print,
which didn't surprise me. And much to my disappointment,
as Todd noted, I saw that the going rate on eBay for any
of the volumes appeared to be in the $20-$30 range, and
that was used! But even though I already had more than
90% of the songs in my collection on cassette already, I
ultimately decided that the series had enough rarities
and personal faves in it to justify paying that amount
just to have the music on CD...
So far, I've picked up "Vol. 1" and "Vol. 2", and sure
enough, $20-$25 was what I had to pay for each. From
those two, the only song I didn't already have in my
collection was "I Still Have Dreams" by Richie Furay, and
upon hearing it, I honestly can't say I remember it from
back in the day (but I definitely like it!). Still
looking to add the other three volumes, of course. And in
the event you were responsible for getting any of the
songs I named above included in this series, many thanks!
:-)
Yes, there definitely should've been many more volumes in
the "Radio Daze" series! (Still waiting for more in
Varese Vintage's "Lost 45's of the '70s & '80s" series
and Renaissance's "Heard it on the Radio" series as
well.) Good luck w/ that new label that's showing
interest, as I'd certainly buy them, too, assuming the
series would continue to cover the mid '70s to mid '80s.
(I'd be more than happy to submit my own list of song
picks, too!) And BTW, if you have any other
stories/tidbits to share about the making of "Radio Daze"
(other obscurities that Rhino tried for besides "Hold on
to My Love", revealing the rest of your "top 5 wants" at
the time, etc.), I'd be curious to
hear...
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80s Music Freak: For some reason, I never noticed your above post until today. (I don't know how I skipped it.) To answer your questions: "King of the Hill" by Oak, "Three Times in Love" by Tommy James, and "Who'll Be the Fool Tonight" by Larsen-Feiten Band were my choices, although my co-producer David was also wanting the 2nd and 3rd songs. I was the only one pushing for "King of the Hill." "I Still Have Dreams" was David's idea.
"Hold On To My Love", Chris Thompson's "If You Remember Me" and Rocky Burnette's "Tired of Toein' The Line" were basically all tied as my #1 wants for the series, and sadly the first two songs could not be licensed. Luckily, due to projects I had worked on previously at Varese Sarabande, I pushed for "If You Remember Me" to be included on the "Lost Hits of the '70s/'80s" series, and also did some serious digging to get to the bottom of who owned the master so that it could be properly licensed... and they were able to license it! The full version of "Hold On To My Love" has still never been released in the US, which is hard to believe, considering it's a top 10 hit in this country. Luckily, I have that version on an import CD.
It was very unfortunate that we did not get to release the next 5 planned volumes, because songs like "Don't Give It Up" by Robbie Patton would have been included -- and in fact, many other songs that have never been released on CD.
Edited by EdisonLite on 06 May 2005 at 11:11pm
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Thanks for the belated reply. Looks like the Wounded Bird
label is coming to the rescue again on May 31, as that is
the date they're currently scheduled to release the CD
re-issue of the Larsen-Feiten Band's two early '80s
albums (self-titled and "Full Moon") on one CD, which
will of course include "Who'll Be the Fool Tonight" -
think I'll be picking that one up... :-)
Ah, so you had a hand in Varese Vintage's "Lost 45's of
the '70s & '80s" series as well, eh??? Absolutely loved
that series as well, and still listen to both volumes
regularly! :-) Great stuff - now I KNOW we need to
convince that unspecified label to support your new
project, lol...
As for "Don't Give it Up" by Robbie Patton, I do already
have that one on cassette, but have never seen it on CD.
Another good song...
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45 version sighting...
I believe I may have the 45 version of Electric Light Orchestra's "Strange Magic", which has yet to surface on a U.S. CD release. Here it appears on the import 2-CD set Light Years: The Very Best of Electric Light Orchestra (UK: Epic 489039 2) with a 4:05 run time and includes the song's complete introduction. The paper tray insert on the back of the CD case indicates: (7" Edit). The only thing is, Joel Whiburn lists the single version's run time at 3:22. Is he right, or is his time based on an incorrectly printed run time on the 45 record label?
Edited by Todd Ireland on 08 May 2005 at 10:32pm
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How did this 4:05 version differ from the full 4:29 version? I love this song, but I wasn't aware that the single was different. Also, is this mixed differently than the album version?
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I must apologize...
I compared the 4:05 version of "Strange Magic" on my Very Best of import CD to the one on my Electric Light Orchestra The Essential disc (Epic/Legacy 89072) and the two versions are exactly the same. I looked up The Essential CD in the 10th edition of T40MOCD and Pat comments that this 4:05 version is the "LP version but missing the :21 introduction". I guess I had never been aware of this :21 portion of the introduction until I downloaded and listened to the full 4:29 LP version for the first time last night. To conclude, "Strange Magic" is not the U.S. 45 version on the import CD. My apologies again for the false lead.
Keep in mind though that the Very Best of import disc does state "Strange Magic" is the 7" edit. It's certainly possible the record label got this wrong, but then again I'm wondering if this 4:05 version without the :21 LP introduction could be the British or European 45 version? After all, it has appeared on several domestic CDs. Anyone know for sure?
Edtop40 was gracious enough to e-mail me an MP3 copy of the U.S. 45 version of "Strange Magic". To recreate the 45 exactly from LP, you first need to make sure you have a copy of the full 4:29 LP version. First, edit out the :21 introduction. Next, remove a portion of the intro from the :05-:10 marks. Finally, snip out part of the chorus from 2:45-3:25. From my ELO Strange Magic - Best of domestic CD on Legacy/Epic 64157, I was able to make a perfect replica of the 45 version via my Audition 1.5 software. If anyone needs more details on precise edit points, feel free to send me a private message.
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paul is a magician..........i just listened to the elo strange magic computer edit he made for me and it is perfect.....why can't these a**holes at the record companies do what todd did in a few minutes.......if anyone needs an edit of a cd to match a 45..........TODD IS THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have two more which as far as I can tell are not available domestically (I may be wrong).
1. The (4:50) single version of Phil Collins' "Another Day In Paradise" is available on the UK Now 1989 CD.
2. Another Now CD, this one spotlighting 1995, has the radio edit of Sheryl Crow's "All I Wanna Do" (must have been a hit there then, as it was a hit in the U.S. a year earlier).
I would think other of these year-by-year Now CDs would have a few, but there are occasional goofs along the way (most glaring--the 1985 version has Paul Hardcastle's "19" which is the 45 version minus a line very near the end, granted it's available domestically but you get the point).
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You are correct on the Sheryl Crow track appearing on Now: 1995. I also found the 45 version on a Mercury compilation (UPC: 731452535429) called Women For Women; however I don't know if it's an import or domestic release. By the way, the hit version that we are referring to is a remix and not just an edit of the LP version.
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