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My commercial 45, which is mono, has a listed time of (3:00), but an actual time of (2:56).
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Hmmmm. My So Far CD version runs (3:05). Is it an early fade, a small edit, and/or a speed difference that accounts for the difference? The song sounds slow on my CD, but that doesn't mean that it is.
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Am I correct that Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's "Ohio" was a 45 only release in 1970 and didn't surface on an LP until four years later on the group's So Far compilation? I too am curious as to what accounts for the time difference between the 45 and the CD appearances. I agree with Doug that "Ohio" sounds a bit slow on CD, but can anyone verify if there is indeed a speed issue?
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Don't forget the first LP that contained "Ohio" (in stereo) was Super Hits Vol. 5 (released late 1970?) on Atlantic (various artists).
Not sure if it's any longer or shorter than 'So Far' though.
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The version on Neil Young's "Decade" 2-CD set runs (2:58), and sounds a lot faster than the version on "So Far" (can't tell if it's faded earlier--might be by a second or two). That might be the 45 (albeit in stereo rather than mono).
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Doug, I get (2:57) on my BMG-issue Decade set. So that's why they sold it cheaper! :)
My 1970 DJ 45 (Atlantic 2740) times out thusly:
Mono side: (2:56)
Stereo side: (2:59)
The fadeout is essentially at the same point (just an insignificant bit later on the stereo side) so it is a speed difference between the two sides.
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There's a digital collection from Neil Young called Neil Young Archives 1963-1972 that contains what's called the 45rpm single of "Ohio" and runs 2:59.
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eriejwg wrote:
| There's a digital collection from Neil Young called Neil Young Archives 1963-1972 that contains what's called the 45rpm single of "Ohio" and runs 2:59. |
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John was kind enough to send me a dub of this digital download, which Amazon calls the "Stereo 45 RPM Single." Its speed matches the stereo side of the DJ 45 almost exactly, and it has an identical fadeout point at the end.
One thing I did notice, though: When I folded down each of the two - the 320kb .mp3 download and the vinyl 45 - it was clear that there was more limiting applied to the Archives track (fortunately, though, it isn't brickwalled.) The bottom end and the kick drum lack a lot of the punch that are present on the DJ 45. Here's a look at the A/B comparison, with the Archives track in red at the top, and the vinyl DJ 45 in blue at the bottom.
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I've read through this thread as well as the CSN "Woodstock" thread
that has some additional discussion of "Ohio" and am looking for a little
clarification...
Every appearance of this song on cd is in stereo. Are each of these
properly classified as the "dj stereo version" or is there some difference
(beyond a couple seconds of timing perhaps) between any of the CD
appearances, such as the version on "So Far", and the version that
appeared on the stereo side of the promo 45?
Second, is the mono version on the commercial 45 (and presumably
the mono side of the 45 promo) a fold-down of the stereo promo side
(with perhaps some minor fade or speed adjustments)? I've listened to
the 45 vs. the version on "So Far" and don't hear any noticeable
differences.
Thanks for any clarification.
Edited by JL328 on 22 May 2016 at 8:08am
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I've never compared the 45 to a fold-down of the stereo for "Ohio," but I have for "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes." The latter, to my ears, sounds like a fold-down and edit.
Edited by aaronk on 22 May 2016 at 4:30pm
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My promo has "Helpless" on the B side, both sides are stereo.
Does anyone have a mono/stereo promo of "Woodstock"?
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Steve, my Atlantic 2723 promo 45 copy for "Woodstock" is mono, also b/w
"Helpless", is 100% red & white (no black ink was used on either the label
design or title/artist).
It has a listed time of (3:52), an actual time of (3:51), and handwritten
deadwax info of "A-18449-22-22" (the last two of which are much lighter,
and with the first of the four ending 2's overlaying a "1".)
This isn't the first time that you and I have found such mono/stereo
differences to be present for Atlantic hit promo 45s around that time. Makes
me wonder how many others we have yet to own/notice/document here....
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jimct wrote:
Steve, my Atlantic 2723 promo 45 copy for "Woodstock" is mono, also b/w
"Helpless", is 100% red & white (no black ink was used on either the label
design or title/artist).
It has a listed time of (3:52), an actual time of (3:51), and handwritten
deadwax info of "A-18449-22-22" (the last two of which are much lighter,
and with the first of the four ending 2's overlaying a "1".)
This isn't the first time that you and I have found such mono/stereo
differences to be present for Atlantic hit promo 45s around that time. Makes
me wonder how many others we have yet to own/notice/document here.... |
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If there are others it's not a common sight. Prior to 1972, finding Atlantic Mono/stereo Double hit sided promo 45's are quite scarce. I do have a few late 60's vintage Atlantic promos cut in stereo (The Red/white Atlantic promo label) of Dusty Springfield "Son Of A Preacher Man" and "It's A Beautiful Morning" by The Rascals. The flipside to those two promos are B side tracks that match the stock release.
The earliest example I have of an Atlantic Mono/Stereo promo 45 is indeed 1972. Roberta Flack "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" and some Asylum releases (distributed by Atlantic at the time)
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Fastphilly wrote:
The earliest example I have of an Atlantic Mono/Stereo
promo 45 is indeed 1972. Roberta Flack "The First Time Ever
I Saw Your Face" and some Asylum releases (distributed by
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The earliest one I have is the Assembled Multitude's
"Overture From Tommy" from the summer of 1970. Atlantic
was a bit inconsistent on promos for a few years with some
being mono/stereo, some double A side mono/mono, others
just a white-label version of the commercial single (some
of these were stereo, others mono).
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I have a red & white label Atlantic promo 45 for CSNY's "Our House" listed as
the "plug side" backed with "Deja Vu." Both are mono. "Deja Vu" seems to
have a different feel in this mix, but it may just be a fold down.
I could post a photo, if you wanted.
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Did anyone ever come to a conclusion about the
difference between the version of "Ohio" on So
Far versus the single? Can you simply speed up the
So Far version to re-create the 45?
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So Far is in stereo but the 45 is in mono.
Musically and vocally, I don't hear any elements that are on one but not
the other, but I've never folded down the stereo to see what disappears.
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