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Here's something where I'd like some input. In my personal database, which I've had going since the late '80s, I track which 45 versions are a different recording/performance from their LP counterpart (as opposed to being an edit/different mix/different arrangement/different vocals/overdub or undubbed/etc. of the same basic recording). I personally like the Chat here because we can ask each other questions on this, i.e., how the 45 and LP versions differ, however this info doesn't make it to Pat's database.
I've prepared a list of what I believe to be 45s where they are a different performance from the LP. I put it out for feedback/comment/additions/subtractions. The list is based on what I know - I'm sure there are others I am not aware of.
Note that a song like The Beatles "Help" doesn't make this list because the recording is basically the same - it's the vocal and a tambourine that's different.
A list of 45 versions that are the same recording yet different somehow would be rather large, so it ain't here.
Please comment at will, as any addtional info on this is much appreciated! The database might need updating in a few cases (e.g., The Leaves "Hey Joe").
1957 Harry Belafonte Jamaica Farewell
1957 Ricky Nelson Be-Bop Baby
1959 Freddy Cannon Tallahassee Lassie
1960 Bobby Darin Clementine
1961 Andy Williams The Bilbao Song
1961 Buzz Clifford Baby Sittin' Boogie
1961 Dave Brubeck Quartet Take Five
1961 Drifters Some Kind Of Wonderful
1961 Kokomo &n bsp; Asia Minor
1962 Ace Cannon Tuff
1962 Ben E. King Don't Play That Song (You Lied)
1962 Bent Fabric & His Piano Alley Cat
1962 Peter, Paul & Mary If I Had A Hammer (The Hammer Song)
1962 Shirelles Baby It's You
1963 Beach Boys Be True To Your School
1963 Drifters Up On The Roof
1963 Marvin Gaye Pride And Joy
1964 Beatles & nbsp; Please Please Me
1964 Dr ifters Under The Boardwalk
1964 Jan & Dean Dead Man's Curve
1964 Joey Powers Midnight Mary
1964 Peter, Paul & Mary Tell It On The Mountain
1965 Barbara Mason Yes, I'm Ready
1965 Beach Boys Help Me, Rhonda
1965 Billy Stewart I Do Love You
1965 Byrds Al l I Really Want To Do
1965 Donovan Catch The Wind
1965 Little Anthony & The Imperials Take Me Back
1965 Otis Redding I've Been Loving You Too Long (To Stop Now)
1965 Otis Redding Respect
1965 Shirley Bassey Goldfinger
1965 Solomon Burke Got To Get You Off My Mind
1966 Bobby Fuller Four I Fought The Law
1966 Gary Lewis & The Playboys Sure Gonna Miss Her
1966 Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass Zorba The Greek
1966 Leaves H ey Joe
1967 Martha & The Vandellas Jimmy Mack
1967 Nancy Sinatra You Only Live Twice
1967 Paul Revere & The Raiders Peace Of Mind
1967 Ray Charles In The Heat Of The Night
1967 Spyder Turner Stand By Me
1968 Four Jacks And A Jill Master Jack
1969 Banana Splits The Tra La La Song (One Banana, Two Banana)
1969 Booker T. & The MG's Time Is Tight
1969 Canned Heat Going Up The Country
1969 Peter, Paul & Mary Day Is Done
1970 Bread &nb sp; It Don't Matter To Me
1970 Carpenters Merry Christmas Darling
1970 Guess Who No Time
1970 Joe Cocker The Letter
1971 Donny Osmond Sweet And Innocent
1971 James Taylor Country Road
1971 Wadsworth Mansion Sweet Mary
1972 Foot In Cold Water (Make Me Do) Anything You Want
1973 Bette Midler Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy
1976 Keith Carradine I'm Easy
1978 Eddie Money Two Tickets To Paradise
1983 Frank Stallone Far From Over
Unknown as to if the 45 version is an edit/alteration of the LP version or a different recording/performance:
1967 Al Martino Mary In The Morning
1986 Cars &nbs p;I'm Not The One
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You can add:
1978 Dolly Parton Two Doors Down
-- as we recently discussed this on the board. However, later LP's pressed (after the album sold gold), they subtituted the new 45 recording for the old LP recording, but I still think this one counts.)
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What's the difference between 45 and lp versions of Midnight Mary by Joey Powers?
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Tom,
Pat has the different "Midnight Mary" designated as alternate take. My boo.
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Todd,
Without hesitation, you can add:
1972 Danny O'Keefe Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues
1972 Jackson Browne Rock Me on the Water
1973 Loggins and Messina Thinking of You
One other, I'm a little hazy, since I dont own the LP and its been years since I've heard it, is Looking Glass' Jimmy Loves Mary Anne-there is a different organ middle-eight and it ends cold.
There are a handful of others, but you have probably ruled them out, are J5 "Mama's Pearl"; Rare Earth's "I Know I'm Losing You" and the Beatles "Get Back" and "Let it Be", but it's your list and your criterion.
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Glad to see some are interested in my post!
John, for "Get Back", I understand the song was recorded 27 January 1969. Although the two are from the same basic take, the 45 features a spoken coda at the end recorded 28 January 1969 while the LP version features studio talk and speech, the latter recorded 30 January 1969. The two feature a different stereo mix and the 45 contains reverb while the LP version is dry. So, since it isn't a different performance, I don't have it in the above list.
"Let It Be" is similar, the basic take being recorded 31 January 1969 but the 45 and LP verions are different due to mix, length and guitar solo.
For "Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues", I understand the 45 is the same take as the LP version, albeit thoroughly remixed with additional production & editing; the promo 45 is a different recording - it is shorter and features a flute where the 45 and LP version feature added percussion (bongos) and a harmonica.
If I am incorrect on the above, please enlighten me!
For "Thinking Of You" and "Rock Me on the Water", I do not know either of the versions, so I'll take your word for it!
I do have a list of 45s that are different from their LP counterpart that does indeed include "Mama's Pearl" and 100s of others. Maybe another post someday?
Anyone can answer Al Martino or The Cars?
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Was "Two Tickets To Paradise" an entirely different recording? I always knew there were lots of overdubs---guitar, vocals, and rearrangements---but I never noticed a different vocal take for the verses and choruses. Also, I seem to remember A/B-ing the two, and they stayed in sync. That would also lead me to believe that the take/recording is the same.
The Dave Brubeck album with "Take Five" is one of my favorite jazz albums. I had no idea the single was a different take!
I haven't listened carefully enough to the LP version of "Alley Cat," but I thought it was only a difference in the reverb but not the actual recording. Good info, David.
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Both Eddie Money and Loggins & Messina were both different recordings than their LP versions.
Two Tickets has a different vocal take and guitar work.
Thinking Of You is faster and a better version than the now common LP version.
Dick Bartley played the 45 version of Thinking Of You on his American Gold show around a year ago.
You could tell it was clean vinyl.
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I'm not 100% convinced the 45 version of Take Five is a different take than the LP version. Edited from the multitrack in a way that you cannot replicate that from the 2-track album master, sure, but I don't think it's an entirely new recording.
As for Up On The Roof by the Drifters, i believe the only difference between the album and single is the vocals over the intro on the album version, which you can faintly hear on the single version. Is there any other part of the song where the album and single versions are not from the same take?
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Tom,
On "Take Five", I am convinced it is a different recording, albeit quite close (except for the middle part of course). There are several points where I can tell, the first being at about 0:12. On the LP version, he doesn't play a "down" piano stroke where on the 45 he does. I mean there's a piano note missing. Hope i've described it well enough.
Good ear on "Up On The Roof" though. After listening closely, I now do believe that they are the same take. The differences are in the mix throughout, and at the beginning where the 45 repeats the musical intro twice while the LP version repeats it 4 times (with vocals preceding it and over it), and at 0:17 of the LP version where there are background vocals not present at the same point (0:13) on the 45.
Interested in other opinions...
thanks for your feedback, Tom!
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David...
This falls into the category, "I'll get right on it." (!)
I've just finished comparing the LP and 45 versions of RESPECT, and I've come up with something interesting. First, I couldn't understand why my 45 was not matching up at all with the 45 version as listed in the DB for "Very Best Of," "Stax 50th Anniversary," Atlantic Rhythm & Blues #5," and Flashback "60's Rock-Mony Mony," which are the CDs I have that purport to have the 45 version.
What I did find was that the stereo LP version as listed on "Ultimate" and "Story" matched up quite well and as far as I'm able to tell (unless there are overdubs or something I missed), this is the 45 version in stereo. Which leads me to the question, what the heck is the song that's listed as the mono 45 version? Sounds like an alternate version to me. Can anyone confirm any of this and maybe get the data base changed?
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davidclark wrote:
1972 Foot In Cold Water (Make Me Do) Anything You Want
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What a great record! David, the difference with "(Make Me Do) Anything You Want" isn't a 45 vs. LP version distinction. This one's a 45 vs. 45 difference.
The 1972 45 on Daffodil 1017 is the full 5:05 version from the A Foot In Coldwater LP, with the long guitar solo in the middle. This was the Canadian hit.
In 1974, A Foot In Coldwater completely re-recorded the song - minus the long guitar solo - for their third album, All Around Us. This 2:59 version was fuller-sounding, with a somewhat rockier, less-acoustic emphasis during the hooks. This new version of "(Make Me Do) Anything You Want" was released as a single in Canada as Daffodil 1058, and in the U.S. in January, 1975 as Elektra 45224. The newer recording was not drastically different than the 1972 original. Other than the absence of the guitar solo, a casual listener may not even catch the differences between the two.
The 1974/75 re-recording sounded like it was done with radio in mind, but, alas, it was was not a hit on either side of the 49th parallel.
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Yah Shure wrote:
The 1972 45 on Daffodil 1017 is the full 5:05 version from the A Foot In Coldwater LP, with the long guitar solo in the middle. This was the Canadian hit.
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Love the song...it even had a picture sleeve upon original release in Canada.
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I also LOVED that 1972 Daffodil full version as well, and always personally thought that the Elektra 45224 re-do was incredibly inferior to the earlier original.
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Jim/torcan,
Thanks for the info. That's something I didn't know re: (Make Me Do) Anything You Want. I have a version running 3:04. Perhaps this is the Elektra remake. I'll shoot you an MP3 and if you could verify I'd really appreciate it!
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jimct wrote:
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Not me. I love both versions equally.
A Foot In Coldwater must have known that the odds against their landing an American hit in 1975 as virtual unknowns with a five-minute, acoustic-leaning single were far too high. They gave it a shot with a version more suited to U.S. radio, but the odds still beat them. I give them credit for at least trying.
I liked the added oomph on the Elektra version, and it really sounded great on my college station. The '72 original would have sounded great, too, but we were never serviced with it.
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OK here's two to add:
Whitesnake - Here I Go Again (the 45 is a harder mix, but an entirely different recording)
Kenny G and Lenny Williams - Don't Make Me Wait For Love (the 45 has different performances by Kenny and Lenny - though it is possible that the verses sung by Lenny are the same take.)
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1989 Cyndi Lauper "A Night To Remember"
Didn't enter the Hot 100 but was released promotionally on CD (ESK73031) off the homonymous album.
It's slightly remixed and vocals were completely re-recorded for the single version.
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john halloran wrote:
One other, I'm a little hazy, since I dont own the LP and its been years since I've heard it, is Looking Glass' Jimmy Loves Mary Anne-there is a different organ middle-eight and it ends cold.
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I have both the album & 45 of this, and I think the single is just an edit & early fade. I don't hear any different vocal, mix, etc in it.
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Oh one more - lol!
The 12" of Deniece Williams "Let's Hear it For the Boy" is a different vocal track. I remember Stereo Rock automation using a custom edit of the 12" to "match" the radio version.
Also a couple of lines on Foreigner's "Waiting For A Girl Like You", the remix version - which you can find on "Records" are re-done. The end of the first chorus where Lou sings, ..."my life" are different.
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