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Posted: 30 May 2007 at 4:23am | IP Logged Quote jimct

My commercial 45, which is stereo, has a listed time of (3:37), but an actual time of (3:33).
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Posted: 07 October 2011 at 4:52pm | IP Logged Quote RichM921

I was just reading a review on Amazon for his "Complete Greatest
Hits" CD and the review stated that the compilation uses the single
mix for Sundown which apparently differs from the LP version. This is
news to me. How does the single differ from the album?

Edited by RichM921 on 07 October 2011 at 4:53pm
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Posted: 07 October 2011 at 5:24pm | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi

The single mix has a more
pronounced time-delayed
reverb on the drums & the
lead guitar is mixed a little
louder.

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Posted: 07 October 2011 at 9:14pm | IP Logged Quote The Hits Man

All Gordon Lightfoot CD comps except the last one have a
remix of "Sundown". Many times, "Single Version" is on the
CD because that's the way it appears on the master tape
box.

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Posted: 08 October 2011 at 7:10am | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

So what is the story with this one, exactly? The database indicates no different versions at all. Is the "remix" the actual single version or an alternate version? That would seem quite odd, if what Hits Man says is true, that all versions on CD (except the last listing) is not the single or album version, but a remix.
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Posted: 08 October 2011 at 7:28am | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi

The versions released on CD before 'Complete Greatest Hits' was released sure sound exactly like the mix on my vinyl LP 'Sundown'.

The version on 'Complete Greatest Hits' sounds like the 45 mix.

It is not a drastic difference, but the 45 is a "better" mix.

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Posted: 15 December 2014 at 9:02pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

The double disc set "Easy 70s" also has the 45 mix, so Pat may want to update the database. The difference in reverb is subtle to my ears, but when doing a comparison, the single does have a more time-delayed reverb on the drums.

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Posted: 16 December 2014 at 7:45pm | IP Logged Quote crapfromthepast

I'm still surprised to learn that the 45 and LP versions were mixed differently, 40 years after the song came out.

LP mix

My preferred version for the LP mix is Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 15 1974 Take Two (1991), where it sounds superb. Excellent dynamic range, great EQ, and not a hint of NR on the fade. It runs 3:32 here. The same analog transfer is used for:
  • Rhino's Mellow Rock Hits Sundown (1997; absolute polarity inverted, but that doesn't affect sound quality)
  • Time-Life's Singers And Songwriters Vol. 31 Classics (2001; digitally identical)
The version on Gord's Gold has great dynamic range and a nice EQ as well, but has a tape azimuth alignment error that makes the track sound warbly when summed to mono (listen for the tamborine). The same analog transfer is used for:
  • TM Century's GoldDisc 211 (also includes noise reduction, adding to the problems here)
45 mix

The version on Razor & Tie's 2-CD Easy '70s (1993) runs about 0.7% too fast, has great dynamic range and nice EQ, but also has a tape azimuth alignment error that makes the track sound warbly when summed to mono.

Much better is Complete Greatest Hits, where it runs at the correct speed, has great dynamic range, nice EQ, and has no sum-to-mono issues. It runs 3:37 here.

Edited by crapfromthepast on 17 December 2014 at 8:06am


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