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Posted: 06 June 2007 at 10:35pm | IP Logged Quote jimct
My commercial 45, which is stereo, has a listed time of (3:31), but an actual time of (3:37).
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Posted: 10 June 2007 at 9:04am | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
In light of this new information Jim has provided... On Andy Gibb's self-titled CD (Polydor 511585), "Time Is Time" runs 3:35 according to the database and contains the comment: (edit of the LP version). Could this actually be the 45 version? I ask because the CD run time closely matches Jim's 45 run time and I know Pat usually only makes (edit of the LP version) comments whenever he is missing some data, such as an actual vinyl commercial or DJ 45 copy to compare to the LP.

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Posted: 10 June 2007 at 9:33am | IP Logged Quote jimct
Todd, I would be happy to shoot out a 45 dub, to either Pat or yourself, to assist either of you in possibly resolving this case. Just let me know.
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Posted: 11 June 2007 at 9:09pm | IP Logged Quote Pat Downey
The Andy Gibb self titled LP contains an early fade of the LP version (which is from Andy Gibb's Greatest Hits vinyl LP)
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Posted: 17 May 2010 at 10:54pm | IP Logged Quote NightAire
So, this means that the 45 (7") IS a different mix?

Has it ever shown up on an import?

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Posted: 18 May 2010 at 7:00am | IP Logged Quote aaronk
No, the single is an edit of the LP version; however, you can't re-create it using the self-titled CD, because they did an early fade on that release. You need the ending of the LP version to create the single (which is missing on the self-titled disc).
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Posted: 18 May 2010 at 10:29am | IP Logged Quote NightAire
Every version I've found so far has that early fade; my copy of "20th Century Masters" is a CD-R so I'm not convinced it's the "real" version from that CD... if it IS, then there are two pressings of that "best Of" CD, & if I had proof that would need to be noted in the database.

Unfortunately I don't have the proof to suggest that kind of change... but if you have the 20th Century Masters version, you might check the end of Time Is Time & made sure yours ends cold.

My only copy is from a scratchy LP that really isn't salvageable for on-air use... armed with the code from the database, I'm going to see if I can find the right "Masters" in the local stores.

(I may also check iTunes & Amazon.)

(I've got a reference for the edit points now, btw... a "live" performance on a "Solid Gold" / "Top Of The Pops" type show from overseas! Found it on YouTube, & if it wasn't mono & didn't have crowd noise, I'd just use it...)

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Posted: 18 May 2010 at 10:47am | IP Logged Quote aaronk
I have a copy from the "Masters" CD, and it ends cold. I re-created it a while ago, so I don't remember the edit points.
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Posted: 18 May 2010 at 12:55pm | IP Logged Quote Paul C
NightAire wrote:

Has it ever shown up on an import?


I don't know if the U.S. 45 edit was even issued anywhere else. The Canadian commercial 45 is the full LP version.
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 6:42am | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
"Time Is Time" on my Andy Gibb Best of: 20th Century Masters - The Millennium Collection CD ends cold.
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:04am | IP Logged Quote abagon
The edit point of "Time Is Time"
3:19.714-3:40.810 (remove) From: "give" of "Time is time don't give me no wrong" lyric.
(I used the U.S. "Greatest Hits" vinyl LP.)

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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 6:53pm | IP Logged Quote Pat Downey
My copy of Time Is Time on the 20th Century Masters cd fades out just like the Greatest Hits vinyl LP. There is not much of a matrix number pressed on the cd but the only lettering I see is 314 589 0602 01@.
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:10pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
I just checked my copy of the 20th Century Masters CD and the matrix number printed on the disc hub is 314 589 0602 02.

Ok, I'm listening to the ending of "Time Is Time" on this CD more carefully and from a technical standpoint it really could be considered a fadeout. At the 3:41 mark after Gibb (almost incoherently) sings "don't give me no wrong", the final electric guitar strum and hi-hat cymbal are struck and during the song's remaining 17 seconds the keyboard trails off with Gibb dramatically crooning one final "give me no wrong" before the instrumentation slowly dies out.

The 45 essentially has the same ending, but faded out several seconds sooner. I hope this helps clear things up.

Edited by Todd Ireland on 20 May 2010 at 9:11pm
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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 8:03am | IP Logged Quote aaronk
In the radio world, those are often referred to as a "cold fade." Obviously, though, there are two pressings of 20th Century Masters, one of which contains the early faded version from the self-titled GH.
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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 10:05am | IP Logged Quote Hykker
aaronk wrote:
In the radio world, those are often referred to as a "cold fade."


Many stations I've worked at have referred to this as a "cool" ending.
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Posted: 22 May 2010 at 7:47pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
aaronk wrote:
Obviously, though, there are two pressings of 20th Century Masters, one of which contains the early faded version from the self-titled GH.


Now I'm confused... Pat says "Time Is Time" on the Andy Gibb self-titled LP contains an early fade of the LP version, which is from Andy Gibb's Greatest Hits vinyl LP. He also claims the song fades early on his 20th Century Masters CD just like the Greatest Hits LP, yet the database currently shows the 20th Century Masters disc with an LP version comment and a 3:58 run time, the same as my copy. NightAire says the song on his CD-R fades early, but doesn't know for certain if it came from the actual CD. So do we really know if there are two pressings of the 20th Century Masters CD containing different lengths?

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Posted: 22 May 2010 at 8:23pm | IP Logged Quote Pat Downey
My copy of "20th Century Masters" runs 3:58, the same as the "Greatest Hits" vinyl LP and both fade out.
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Posted: 22 May 2010 at 9:07pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
Ok, my copy of 20th Century Masters also runs 3:58 and has that "cold fade" type of ending I described previously. So unless anyone can provide concrete evidence to the contrary, it appears then that all Andy Gibb 20th Century Masters CDs contain the same 3:58 version of "Time Is Time", which is billed in the database as the LP version.

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Posted: 23 May 2010 at 12:38pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
Thanks for clearing that up. I interpreted Pat's post to mean that it's the early fade. The vinyl LP "Greatest Hits" obviously has the full LP version (same as 20th Century Masters), unlike the CD "greatest hits" (self-titled).
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