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Does anyone have the version of the top 40 hit "Did You Boogie (With Your Baby)" by Flash Cadillac WITHOUT Wolfman Jack BUT IN STEREO? And can you tell me the matrix info and anything else to identify this version? I know it exists on vinyl but it may be mislabeled in some way and I have not been able to find this particular 45 anywhere. Even Australian and UK 45s I've bought on ebay have not had this version.
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Yes, EdLite
I have "Did You Boogie" SANS Wolfman Jack in STEREO on a digital dub (probly from clean vinyl).
I have NO IDEA where I got it from (I think from the old Napster days where virtually everything was on there for a brief moment).
It is a better mix than the Wolfman version.
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I have that mp3, too, from the Napster days, from clean vinyl. I just can't figure out what vinyl source exactly it came from.
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Wow, interesting!
Are you telling me that the USA promo 45s that you've come across are mono only?
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In terms of all the 45s I've ever seen (including about 40 on ebay), the commercial 45 has never had the non-Wolfman version at all. And the promo 45 has the Wolfman on one side and non-Wolfman version on the other, both clearly identified on the label and both in mono. But there must be a 3rd incarnation of the record (either here or as an import 45) because the napster mp3 (non-Wolfman in STEREO) comes from vinyl. But the Australian and Canadian Private Stock 45s I bought of this had the non-Wolfman version in mono, too.
Does anyone have any 45s of this song that differ from the ones I describe above?
Edited by EdisonLite on 22 July 2007 at 10:06am
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Just a thought...
I wonder if maybe first pressings of the Flash Cadillac album 'Sons Of The Beaches' had a stereo version without the Wolfman?
As all of us here know, that happened once-in-awhile back in the Seventies. An album would get released without a single (or at least a hit single) because the band had a touring-based following. Radio stations would suggest a possible single, record companies would refashion the single for hopefully more commercial prospects. When the song became a hit, the refashioned version would be substituted on the LP--and a lot more of this pressing hit the stores.
Andy
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Actually, your theory reminded me ...
The Flash Cadillac album "Sons of the Beaches" had TWO incarnations! The first one did not include "Did you Boogie" at all. After the song started taking off, they re-did the LP, adding one new song - "Did You Boogie" WITH Wolfman. I have never seen an LP without Wolfman on the song. And I've checked LPs for years. There are only these 2 versions, as far as I can tell.
Maybe a foreign LP has the mystery version.
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Wow,
Thanks for the information!
Andy
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Hi all, new poster here, although I've used Pat's books for years. I'm a former radio station music director/jock and worked briefly for a record distributor in the mid-'70s. If some of these old topics are bumped up (like this one) I'm the guilty party, but have info to add.
I have the STEREO "Did You Boogie" both with AND without Wolfman Jack. My promotions job for the record distributor (Heilicher Bros. in Minneapolis) was during the time that the single was current. I have three configurations of Private Stock 45079 with matrix numbers as follows:
1. Mono/mono promo copy:
PVT 1184-M... "Did You Boogie.." without Wolfman
PVT 1185-M... "Did You Boogie.." with Wolfman
Neither side's label makes any mention of whether or not Wolfman Jack is on the record; you have to play it to find out.
"Did You Boogie" publisher listed as Ashton Music
2. Stereo/stereo stock copy
PVT 1184... "Did You Boogie.." without Wolfman
PVT 1186... "Maybe It's All In My Mind"
"Did You Boogie" publisher listed as Ashton Music
3. Stereo/stereo stock copy
PVT 1185... "Did You Boogie.." with Wolfman
"WITH WOLFMAN JACK" printed in caps below matrix #
PVT 1186... "Maybe It's All In My Mind"
"Did You Boogie" publisher listed as Goblet Music
Bottom line: the STEREO, WITHOUT Wolfman stock 45 bears matrix # PVT 1184.
In addition, Private Stock issued a 12-inch promo LP, titled Sales Presentation (PSR 1-SP/PSR 2-SP) in a plain white cardboard jacket with a Private Stock logo sticker on the front cover. The last track on side two is listed on the label as "from the LP 'Sons Of The Beaches,'" but the track itself is the stereo version of "Did You Boogie.." *without* Wolfman Jack. Because there are eight cuts on side two of this LP, the audio level is much lower than on the second 45 configuration above, and turntable rumble is fairly evident.
It was while I was back in the warehouse checking stock on the "Beaches" album that I first noticed that there were two variations, one of which did not include "Did You Boogie." That led me over to the 45 department to check out stock copies, and that was where I found both the with and without Wolfman stereo stock copies.
Edited by Yah Shure on 23 December 2009 at 5:04pm
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Yah Shure, welcome to the Board!! And don't worry about "dredging up" old posts, sir. Info like the stuff you just provided to us for "Did You Boogie..." is valued like gold nuggets around here, so please, "dredge away"!!
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Hello 'Yah Shure',
Thank you for providing all the specifics that no one before has been able to provide!
Andy
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Thanks, Jim and Andy.
Andy, if you got your mp3 from Napster v.1, and it's a variable bitrate file, it likely came from my 45.
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Yah Sure:
Welcome to the forum! I've learned so much here since joining in June of this year! At 48, I'm collecting and cleaning up vinyl again. Often, it's the only way to get the proper 45 versions.
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Yah Shure wrote:
I have the STEREO "Did You Boogie" both with AND without Wolfman Jack. I have three configurations of Private Stock 45079 with matrix numbers as follows:
1. Mono/mono promo copy, (3 copies, all the same):
PVT 1184-M... "Did You Boogie.." without Wolfman
PVT 1185-M... "Did You Boogie.." with Wolfman
Neither side's label makes any mention of whether or not Wolfman Jack is on the record; you have to play it to find out.
"Did You Boogie" publisher listed as Ashton Music
2. Stereo/stereo stock copy
PVT 1184... "Did You Boogie.." without Wolfman
PVT 1186... "Maybe It's All In My Mind"
"Did You Boogie" publisher listed as Ashton Music
3. Stereo/stereo stock copy
PVT 1185... "Did You Boogie.." with Wolfman
"WITH WOLFMAN JACK" printed in caps below matrix #
PVT 1186... "Maybe It's All In My Mind"
"Did You Boogie" publisher listed as Goblet Music
Bottom line: the STEREO, WITHOUT Wolfman stock 45 bears matrix # PVT 1184 and the Ashton Music publishing credit.
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Interesting. I also have 3 copies of the single. Don't have the mono/mono promo copy handy, but it definitely mentions with/without Wolfman on the label.
My stereo/stereo stock copy (with Wolfman) lists the publisher as Ashton Music BMI, not Goblet.
The stereo/stereo stock copy without Wolfman is the same as yours. No mention of the Wolfman. Curiously, this copy uses the same gray label as the promo (though no mention of it actually being a promo, though it did come from a radio station)...does yours? The stock copy with Wolfman has a multi-tone brown label.
Edited by Hykker on 12 December 2007 at 6:11pm
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Hykker, all three of my promo copies are identical, without any "with" or "without" designation. All three promo copies and both stock copies were pressed by Columbia's Terre Haute plant. When you run across your mono/mono promo copy, check to see if it's a Columbia, PRC or Bestway pressing. I thought I'd remembered seeing a mono/mono promo that designated "with" and "without" sides as yours does; perhaps it was at one of the stations where I worked.
My stereo/stereo stock WITHOUT Wolfman carries the usual multi-tone brown stock label. It appears that your stereo/stereo stock WITHOUT Wolfman on the gray label, minus any promo markings is quite the oddball. Is it a Columbia, PRC or Bestway pressing, and which publishing credit does it carry?
Does anyone else have yet other with/without/Ashton/Goblet combinations?
I always thought the Chalice Productions logo on the label was rather interesting. You could interpret it either as a goblet or as two women about to kiss. :)
Eriejw, thanks for the welcome! Since discovering the board a couple of days ago, I've been happily hunting through my 45s to reacquaint myself with versions that I haven't played in years since CDs took over. "Elenore" and the mono "Operator" were real ear-openers. So many contributors have come up with differences that I had never noticed, and it's great to see many of the specific differences pointed out in ways that the books weren't able to do. I'm not much of a CD buyer anymore (can you say "hearing aids?") but when it comes to helping to provide vinyl background, I'll be here.
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Yah Sure, thanks so much for all this info! I've been trying to figure this one out for years. (It's a favorite of mine, and it peaked at #1 on my personal chart.) I've only found the mono non-Wolfman 45, and every stereo 45 I've bought (which is plenty) has always had Wolfman. I even bought imports, hoping to find the right version there.
And welcome to the board!
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Yah Shure wrote:
Hykker, all three of my promo copies are identical, without any "with" or "without" designation. All three promo copies and both stock copies were pressed by Columbia's Terre Haute plant. When you run across your mono/mono promo copy, check to see if it's a Columbia, PRC or Bestway pressing.
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It's a Bestway pressing. Scans of this record can be viewed at:
Flash1
Flash2
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My stereo/stereo stock WITHOUT Wolfman carries the usual multi-tone brown stock label. It appears that your stereo/stereo stock WITHOUT Wolfman on the gray label, minus any promo markings is quite the oddball. Is it a Columbia, PRC or Bestway pressing, and which publishing credit does it carry? |
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Another Bestway pressing. Here's the scan:
Flash3
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Hykker, thanks for the scans! In doing side-by-side comparisons, Flash3 appears to be on a stock label. There's a faint brown tone that is apparent when juxtaposed with the two gray Bestway labels. I have a couple of other titles that are Bestway-pressed stock Private Stock 45s, and on some, the brown is a more muted shade than on the Columbia, PRC and Specialty pressings.
Here are the Flash Cadillacs I have:
Mono promo, both sides
Stereo stock 45s, without and with Wolfman Jack
EdLite, thanks for the welcome! I know how frustrating it is trying to track down those holy grails. Thanks to Hykker's imput, it looks like PVT 1184 is the determining factor. Had I known 31 years down the road that you'd be looking for it, I'd have set aside that entire 25-count box of stock PVT 1184s. :(
PS - It's Yah Shure with an "h," as in Shure Brothers. Now you know whose cartridge I use!
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The actual commercial 45 run time of Flash Cadillac & the Continental Kids' "Did You Boogie (with Your Baby)" is 2:53 and, as already established, features Wolfman Jack. (Thanks to Jim for providing the timing info. The printed record label time is 2:51.) I'm passing this along because the song's database CD entries featuring Wolfman Jack run 2:47-2:53.
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I'd timed all of my "Boogie" 45s back in late '07, but never got around to posting the results (and they do vary.) These are all Columbia Terre Haute pressings, which may account for the two-second difference in what Todd just reported for Jim's 45:
WITH Wolfman Jack:
Mono DJ 45........(2:54)
Stereo stock 45..(2:55)
WITHOUT Wolfman Jack:
Mono DJ 45........(2:50)
Stereo stock 45..(2:48)
BTW, Gordon confirmed that the Napster mp3 he'd mentioned in the thread's third post was, indeed, taken from my 45. He'd thought I'd faded it out too early, so I sent him a raw needledrop just to prove that I hadn't. :) It turns out that the sans-Wolfman stock 45 fades out seven seconds earlier than the with-Wolfman stock 45.
Hykker, any timing details for your copies?
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