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Brian W.
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Posted: 04 June 2005 at 11:37pm \| IP Logged

Can someone who owns "Barry Manilow's Greatest Hits" with the 3:58 version of "Copacabana" give me the matrix number that's on the inner ring of the CD? I want to make sure I'm getting the right one, since Pat notes some pressings contained the long 5:46 version.

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Posted: 05 June 2005 at 12:30am \| IP Logged

Brian, here's the info: It has 2 numbers on the inner ring:

ARCD-8039 (which is just the catalog #)

and

1A6 5Y

Hope they've got the CD you want!
-EdisonLite

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Posted: 05 June 2005 at 4:51am \| IP Logged

Thanks, Gordon! They have several copies, so one should be the correct one.

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Posted: 17 June 2005 at 3:09am \| IP Logged

Well, I got one with the short 45 version of Copacabana, though the label does claim 5:46. This is one of the pressings with the studio version of Daybreak. Fortunately the hit live version is on the new Essential Barry Manilow.

The matrix on mine is 5 ARC 8039-2 RE-1 SRC 02, with an added M6 S1 further up the ring. It's a music club edition.

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Posted: 17 June 2005 at 4:45pm \| IP Logged

Boy, that IS a different mix than the longer version on "Essential," isn't it? Much different stereo placement and a lot more echo on the vocal in the 45 version.

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Posted: 22 June 2005 at 9:41am \| IP Logged

As indicated in the 10th edition of T40MOCD, the edited 45 version of "Copacabana" can also be found on the Barry Manilow box set Complete Collection and Then Some (Arista 18714). One drawback here though is that the previous selection on this set tracks over the first :06 of the song's introduction.

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Posted: 16 September 2005 at 2:02pm \| IP Logged

Todd Ireland wrote:

Sorry to dredge up an old thread (hey, I'm new! :) ), but the "45" version on TCCATS is not really the 45. The demo tracks into the hit version, but the major difference is that right after Manilow's last vocal line of "don't fall in love," the female back-up singers reprise singing "Copacabana" two more times before the cowbell break kicks in (at least it is the 45 cowbell break, not the "Even Now" LP cowbell break). The 3:58 edit on my 1978 Greatest Hits CD does not have the extra two "Copacabana" vocals (and as stated before is labeled on the CD as running 5:46).

Hope I haven't confused anyone further.

Doug

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Posted: 16 September 2005 at 5:12pm \| IP Logged

Ooh, good catch, Doug! And don't be so timid... a catch like that is more than enough to get you listened to around here.

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Posted: 16 September 2005 at 11:34pm \| IP Logged

<Hope I haven't confused anyone further. >

I'm a bit confused. How many versions of "Copa" are floating around? Can someone outline how many there are (excluding the "demo" that precedes "Copa" on the box set? Are there 3 - the 5:46 remix, and the original version (one without these extra background vocals and one WITH) -- and are both of those the same length? And is the 45 different than the original LP mix?

I think this is going to turn into one of those "It's a Miracle" situations where now there are 4 versions floating around out there.

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Posted: 17 September 2005 at 9:20am \| IP Logged

EdisonLite wrote:

I'm a bit confused. How many versions of "Copa" are floating around? Can someone outline how many there are (excluding the "demo" that precedes "Copa" on the box set? Are there 3 - the 5:46 remix, and the original version (one without these extra background vocals and one WITH) -- and are both of those the same length? And is the 45 different than the original LP mix?

While there are some recent remixes floating out there, to the best of my knowledge there are two official versions, and both were released on the same 45. The short version runs 3:58 and has a brighter bongo open and cowbell mix; this was the A-side of the single (and is the one that appears on many pressings of the OOP Greatest Hits album). The Even Now LP version runs 5:46 and I do believe was the B-side of the single; that version has appeared on most Barry Manilow compilations since (including some pressings of the 1978 GH CD). The cowbell riff is different and the bongos are a little more subdued, plus there's a longer bridge and instrumental break in the middle.

For the CCATS release, they used the 3:58 45 mix (and brightened it just a bit), but added six seconds with the two extra "Copacabana" vocals towards the end, for a total running time of 4:04. And you can't extract the official single out of it because of the demo version that tracks into it and overlaps.

I hope that explains it a little better.

Doug

Edited by sriv94 on 17 September 2005 at 9:21am

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Posted: 24 September 2005 at 12:15pm \| IP Logged

Hi People,

Please don't forget that the original vinyl LP 'Even Now' had the ORIGINAL album mix that was similar (but not quite) to the 3:58 single mix/edit. The label time was 4:08 and it included the two extra "Copacabana" vocals towards the end before the percussion break. The first appearance of the 5:46 version was the promo 12" single for club DJs issued around the time of the "Even Now" 45.

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Posted: 24 September 2005 at 6:45pm \| IP Logged

Great catch. And that sounds like where the CCATS version came from. Funny that the Even Now CD releases all used the 5:46 version instead of using the vinyl LP version.

Doug

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